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Old 12-29-2013, 05:05 AM   #85096
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You're right, he posted some design concepts and I thought he said soon to be released. I'm pretty sure he intended to make them long enough to use the nuts in the stock frame.

I just looked back for a month and couldn't find the posts. I don't think they're on his site yet.

That's a good solution for those disciplined enough to remember.

Looking at mine, I'd only need a piece of alum about 10" wide and 6" deep to extend back to the nuts already welded to our bikes. The 6" would allow for a bit of overlap and a top and bottom weld bead at the splice for strength.
Hey ER70S thanks for remembering. Yup the skidplate is in production as we speak. 5mm thick, Uses the rear factory tabs, protects the frame rails by the pegs, covers the oil filter cap nicly, guards the side cases as much as possible and it has rubber dampners between the frame and plate in the middle to deadened some resonance vibrations. Here's some quick and dirty cell pics throughout my test fit and testing process.






In thes pics I dont have the correct bolts in. It will have button heads in the front and recessed bolts in the rear mounts.

Also the plate is going to be bead blasted and available in silver and black.

The hole on the right side is for a brake snake cable

Here is what made me build plates. This is one of the more popular skidplates after 1 season. Its 4mm and didnt go back to the factory mounts

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Old 12-29-2013, 05:34 AM   #85097
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Question three: I'm planning to upgrade the skid plate with a Pat Walsh Designs plate. Their website says it does not use frame clamps on the rear and extends further back. Anyone have any positive or negative experience with this plate?

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I have the PW skid plate on mine. It's 5mm thick (not 4mm). It goes back further than other plates and bolts to two existing holes in the frame. It is very well made and easy to install. There are custom made CNC hangers on the front and the rear bolts come with rubber vibration isolators. The only negative is it does reflect engine noise UP, but I think this is common with any plate. Bottom line, I like it.

I purchased the plate and a PW rear rack on the PWD website as a combo and got a $20 discount...Like the rack too.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:19 AM   #85098
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skid plate comparison

All I've got are Warp9 shorty levers so far and they're one of the sweetest additions to my bike. I was going to extend my not quite wimpy plate to the rear mounts but now Warp's is at the top of the farkle list. I hate the thought of busted cases (even with shortened rear mount bolts & beveled nuts). Warp's is also looking like the best oil filter cover protection.



Pat Walsh Design plate


SW-MOTECH plate looks to have good coverage - 4mm base, 3mm wings


Photo search yielded this example of why concern for the sides.

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Old 12-29-2013, 06:29 AM   #85099
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Thanks PSMCD. Here is a top shot of the filter deflector


This is from the first plate. The mkII version is a little better and I will take some better pics later today when temps allow me to get out of bed ;)

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Old 12-29-2013, 06:53 AM   #85100
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The frame clamp style always concerned me--this is the one I used and have found it to be excellent.
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:14 AM   #85101
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It looks as though the mkII has a couple of bends that would make the oil filter side more rigid and resist deflection?

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This is from the first plate. The mkII version is a little better and I will take some better pics later today when temps allow me to get out of bed ;)
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:25 AM   #85102
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Ok Ok I got 2 PM's asking if I would get out of bed and get some pics of the mkII. Ha Ha here you go guys







This is the bead blasted mkII and very close to the prodution plate. I added 2 more degrees of deflection outwards on the oil fliter wing at the top.

What do you think?

Okay going back to bed with the warm wife
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:28 AM   #85103
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I had the hole puncher and witnessed another DR firsthand get a dime sized hole on a ride. Fortunately, we were only a mile from road access so the pickup wasn't too bad.

I got a PWD plate that went back to the mounts but it didn't have the side coverage I wanted. So I chopped up my old one and made some mods.







If the Warp9 was out, I would've grabbed it. Kevin puts time into making sure his products are the best they can be for the DR and as mentioned, the feel of the Warp9 levers is great. Like other things moto, some of the small changes can make the bike that much more enjoyable.


Rusty - thanks for the heads up on the TM II. I'm trucking the DR to Superstition OHV so the initial scrub will be dirt/sand. I'll watch the first tar ride, for sure. I've learned the hard way to take it easy on new tires. No crashes but I did have to get a seaterectomy once. Starfish spasms - hate 'em.
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:49 AM   #85104
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that looks alot like the same design shape & coverage as the long gone DG skid plate that i have on my bike. it was the best out there until seeing this one. i think the DG is 4mm, so this one should be even better.


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Hey ER70S thanks for remembering. Yup the skidplate is in production as we speak. 5mm thick, Uses the rear factory tabs, protects the frame rails by the pegs, covers the oil filter cap nicly, guards the side cases as much as possible and it has rubber dampners between the frame and plate in the middle to deadened some resonance vibrations. Here's some quick and dirty cell pics throughout my test fit and testing process.






In thes pics I dont have the correct bolts in. It will have button heads in the front and recessed bolts in the rear mounts.

Also the plate is going to be bead blasted and available in silver and black.

The hole on the right side is for a brake snake cable

Here is what made me build plates. This is one of the more popular skidplates after 1 season. Its 4mm and didnt go back to the factory mounts
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:53 AM   #85105
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i'd say the pwd plate big positives are 5mm plate and it extends far back, but it sure does lack front/side area coverage when it's seen from that angle.

warp9 plate is gonna be the one to own!


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I had the hole puncher and witnessed another DR firsthand get a dime sized hole on a ride. Fortunately, we were only a mile from road access so the pickup wasn't too bad.

I got a PWD plate that went back to the mounts but it didn't have the side coverage I wanted. So I chopped up my old one and made some mods.







If the Warp9 was out, I would've grabbed it. Kevin puts time into making sure his products are the best they can be for the DR and as mentioned, the feel of the Warp9 levers is great. Like other things moto, some of the small changes can make the bike that much more enjoyable.


Rusty - thanks for the heads up on the TM II. I'm trucking the DR to Superstition OHV so the initial scrub will be dirt/sand. I'll watch the first tar ride, for sure. I've learned the hard way to take it easy on new tires. No crashes but I did have to get a seaterectomy once. Starfish spasms - hate 'em.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:00 AM   #85106
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that looks alot like the same design shape & coverage as the long gone DG skid plate that i have on my bike. it was the best out there until seeing this one. i think the DG is 4mm, so this one should be even better.
Eakins you have a good eye man. The long lost DG plate was the best I had seen. And I was lucky enough to steal one from one of my dads DR's and use it as a model. so its thicker and with a little more protection and rubber between it and the frame. Heres the DG i used and you can see some of my modifications





So I hope its worthy of you rock bashers out there ;)

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Old 12-29-2013, 08:13 AM   #85107
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I also came really close to punching a hole in my case via the skidplate p-clamp. My buddy had his poke right through. I posted something long ago about how this should be considered a design flaw (and I caught a bit of flack), in that the protection should definitely not be the CAUSE of harm...



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Old 12-29-2013, 09:05 AM   #85108
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Yup the skidplate is in production as we speak. 5mm thick, Uses the rear factory tabs, protects the frame rails by the pegs, covers the oil filter cap nicly, guards the side cases as much as possible and it has rubber dampners between the frame and plate in the middle to deadened some resonance vibrations. Here's some quick and dirty cell pics throughout my test fit and testing process.



In thes pics I dont have the correct bolts in. It will have button heads in the front and recessed bolts in the rear mounts.

Also the plate is going to be bead blasted and available in silver and black.

The hole on the right side is for a brake snake cable
Nice! Put me down for one. I hate the p-clamps on my KLR's skid plate. Any idea what the price will be?
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:10 AM   #85109
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No flack from me. When I saw your post I immediately pulled my plate, shortened the bolts and beveled the nuts. Reinstalling it's still difficult to nest the p-clamp/nuts precisely in the recess of the case and a hard hit would move them anyway. I have some other welding projects and intended to do my plate like yours with that work. Seems like I hit the plate a couple times every ride and I'm flirting with disaster. I'm thinking I'll pop for the Warp9 plate just because it's thicker and has better side protection. The only stouter looking one is Bergdonk's.

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I also came really close to punching a hole in my case via the skidplate p-clamp. My buddy had his poke right through. I posted something long ago about how this should be considered a design flaw (and I caught a bit of flack), in that the protection should definitely not be the CAUSE of harm...
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:17 AM   #85110
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the shim removal made some interesting changes.
the first thing I noticed was that the low speed characteristics were essentially the same. brake dive and road feel were essentially unchanged.
I hit some big nasty looking potholes and the front tire reacted so fast that it felt like a ripple in the pavement. The response was even smoother than the Ricor shock I have on the rear which transmitted a small bump in response to the pot holes.
However the response to mid sized bumps (frost heaves) was unchanged, and hitting a bump in a fast corner seems to cause excessive movement at the front. These results are not unexpected, and they are indicative of a high speed circuit that is opening at a lower pressure, and flowing a greater amount of fluid for a given pressure once opened. I would like to experiment with different shim sizes and thicknesses, but right now that is not an option.
Today I re-installed the 20mm shim and increased the size of the bleed hole .01" by drilling it with a #45 drillbit. I expect the result to be similar to backing off the low speed compression adjustment, on an adjustable fork, just one or two clicks. I'll report back with my results, when it stops raining, but this will not be my last experiment with these valves.
I ended up putting all mine back together after carefully measuring everything and the results are the same as before. I think based off what I've heard this is how it's suppose to ride, I just don't like it that much on the road. Off road, it may be awesome. I think what I'm looking for is how progressive springs work. I've come across many posts by both Rick and others that said to not use progressive springs with the DDC's.

I'm sending back the .60 springs and will try .50's instead and see if the little stiffer springs will help.
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