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Old 10-28-2013, 12:24 PM   #1
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German(s) Shipping Bike(s) to the USA?

It's a long story, but the bottom line is brief. My s.o. owns a used gas tank for a Moto Guzzi V50 Mark III. The tank is currently located in the Frankfurt area. The tank was free and she doesn't really NEED it, but since she does own a V50III in the USA it would be a good spare part to have. The cost of shipping it is prohibitively high because it once contained gasoline (more than a decade ago) and (per IATA DGR section 2.3.2.5) is therefore considered "dangerous goods." Because if that label it is HUGELY expensive to ship. Having the "dangerous goods" label removed is as simple as getting a shipping company to accept and sign off on a "purge statement, yet apparently impossible in reality.

Might there be someone in Germany planning on shipping a bike to the USA, perhaps for summer 2014, that can add this empty & safely packed gas tank to their shipment? After all, your bike is going to have a gas tank which once contained gasoline, too.

Or might there be someone in the process of moving their household from Germany to the USA with room for one more box.

Of course you can open the box to admire the Moto Guzzi gas tank.

Note: Back in the olden days (1983), my motorcycle traveled as "excess baggage" on two transatlantic flights, when we flew Toronto - Manchester and Frankfurt - Toronto. People's heads would apparently spontaneously explode if that were to even be considered today.



I'm old enough to remember when there were smoking sections on airplanes and actual ashtrays under the ashtray flaps in the armrests.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:39 AM   #2
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Heads exploding and DGR

@Flash412,

I sympathise. I work in Import/Export and know eactly what you mean. Apart from the fact that a petrol tank is very bulky and will cost alot to ship vs its actual worth.
Ship it as a simple "Iron Tank for any material other than compressed or liquified gas - capacity <50 litres" Customs tarif Code 7310.2900.
No mention of Moto Guzzi or motorbike spare parts whatsoever.
This was your shipping company won't have to declare it as DGR and won't even ask. Make out a Commercial Invoice with a stupid low value - mention 'second hand / not for reale / vaklue for customs purposes only' - on the invoice and mention the dimensions and net/gross weight of the bos you give them with your address in USa as delivery person.
I would be surprised they ask you for any DGR papers.

I too remember the days when there were ashtrays on planes.....
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:30 PM   #3
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Thanks.

I looked up 7310.2900 and found that 73.10 says:
Tanks, casks, drums, cans... (excl. for gas) of iron or steel, <300 l

7310.2900.00 is Other cans

73.11 is Containers for compressed or liquefied gas, of iron or steel

What happened so far is that Lufthansa put the tank on a plane as checked luggage in Florence and then German customs or security or something took it off the plane in Frankfurt. We got the box off the carousel in Denver with a few random things inside, but no tank, only a note that it had been removed.

We found a fellow ADV Rider in Frankfurt who was generous enough to fetch the tank from the customs warehouse before the tank was destroyed. He aired it out some more, removed the petcocks, repacked it and shipped it to us in the USA via Deutsche Luftpost. Two days later it showed up back at his house. He is understandingly a bit gun-shy about spending another US$50 to ship it again.

We were hoping to have a carrier just sign off on a Purge Statement but nobody will bear the liability. The last time the fucking thing had gas/petrol/benzin in it was 1998. WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT !?!?

Do you happen to know what exactly "(excl. for gas)" means in 73.10?
Is that "exclusively" or "exclusion?"
And does "gas" refer to "gasoline" or something like propane?
The French would say, "This is as clear as socks juice."

Thank you.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:26 PM   #4
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I could try shipping it via USPS from an APO post office. We are in Kaiserslautern.

We do expect to return to the US next summer and will have a household goods move. Don't know where we are going yet. Still have the issue of getting it from wherever we will be to where it needs to go. Anyway, we could include it in our shipment if it is just the tank.
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Old 10-30-2013, 08:50 PM   #5
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Thanks for the offer. I'm checking with my new friend in Frankfurt to see what he thinks.
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Old 10-31-2013, 04:50 AM   #6
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You might check with Stefan Knopf in Heidelberg - he has container(s) of motorcycles heading from Heidelberg to Orlando, Florida on December 10th - should hit Florida February-ish. He times the shipments to have the Euro bikes in Florida in time for Bike Week in early March.

He might be willing to add your tank to the mix for a few bucks.

You'd then have to get it from Orlando to where you need it, but I assume (nasty word, that) that his shipper in Orlando (Forward Logistics Group) could handle that for you.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:39 AM   #7
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Pinging Herr Knopf. Danke!
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