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Old 04-23-2012, 02:51 AM   #15256
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Garage fires are not good things, goodbye Scrammie,
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:58 AM   #15257
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Garage fires are not good things, goodbye Scrammie,
It may just buff out, sorry couldn't help that. Bummer.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:14 AM   #15258
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Any ideas on the cause? Looks to be an EFI bike. It looks like it was an electrical fire?
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:49 AM   #15259
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I have to admit "Perhaps it will buff out" came to my mind after the initial shock.
The Firebrigade said Electrical..buy I have not seen the report yet. Not much electrical in there, Opimate and the pump for my pond were all that were running.

Garage is a mess and my T800 is melted as well, not so bad though. Oddly the old bikes are okish, melted grips is about it. not much plastic on a Panther.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:54 AM   #15260
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Aha, the bike was in the crossfire of a garage fire. At first glance it looked like the bike itself decided to self-immolate.

and that's even worse knowing more than one motorbike was caught in it.

From that photo the Scrambler definitely looks rebuildable.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:12 AM   #15261
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Carb vs. EFI

Hi,

New guy here, been following the thread for a while.

I'm really considering buying a Scrambler this week but the dealer has 2 second-hand Scramblers. Both are from 2008 he says, one's blue/white (carb) and the other is black (EFI). I thought those 2 models weren't for sale in the same year (2008 in this case) or were they? Might as well be the first registry date, I'll have to check that this week...

Anyway.. :) My question is: what are the differences between those 2 engines considering these are 2 second hand bikes, what effect has the age on those 2 engines?

If the difference is negligible I'll probably go with the blue/white carb model which has centerstand, flyscreen, skidplate and tachograph, the black has no extra's. The color doesn't matter that much to me, like 'em both.

I'll appreciate any advice :)
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:50 AM   #15262
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Hi,

New guy here, been following the thread for a while.

I'm really considering buying a Scrambler this week but the dealer has 2 second-hand Scramblers. Both are from 2008 he says, one's blue/white (carb) and the other is black (EFI). I thought those 2 models weren't for sale in the same year (2008 in this case) or were they? Might as well be the first registry date, I'll have to check that this week...

Anyway.. :) My question is: what are the differences between those 2 engines considering these are 2 second hand bikes, what effect has the age on those 2 engines?

If the difference is negligible I'll probably go with the blue/white carb model which has centerstand, flyscreen, skidplate and tachograph, the black has no extra's. The color doesn't matter that much to me, like 'em both.

I'll appreciate any advice :)
My '08 is carb'd. I like it very much and have not noticed any difference in performance worth mentioning to my EFI T100. If the carb'd bike comes with a bunch of extra's that you want, that's a good choice. Style-wise, I like the carb tanks better as they seem thinner to me. My EFI bike has a tank that looks fatter. In my opinion, you can't go wrong either way.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:39 AM   #15263
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'08 USA-carbed, rest of the world-EFI?

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Hi,

New guy here, been following the thread for a while.

I'm really considering buying a Scrambler this week but the dealer has 2 second-hand Scramblers. Both are from 2008 he says, one's blue/white (carb) and the other is black (EFI). I thought those 2 models weren't for sale in the same year (2008 in this case) or were they? Might as well be the first registry date, I'll have to check that this week...

Anyway.. :) My question is: what are the differences between those 2 engines considering these are 2 second hand bikes, what effect has the age on those 2 engines?

If the difference is negligible I'll probably go with the blue/white carb model which has centerstand, flyscreen, skidplate and tachograph, the black has no extra's. The color doesn't matter that much to me, like 'em both.

I'll appreciate any advice :)

As I recall the USA still got carbed bikes for '08, the rest of the world was riding EFI bikes. My leftover '08 in Silver/Green was (according to the dealer) one of several that they had accumulated, figuring that there would be some demand for the superceeded carb version. I was happy to get the carbs and pleased at the 'last year's' price (in '09). In truth, I never hear much of anything about there being issues with the injected version, besides which they probably return better fuel milage. OTOH, my carbed Scrambler sat from November until last week (did have some Sea Foam in the fuel) in a tent, when I registered it Tuesday I walked out, pulled out the choke, pushed the button and it was running even though I had not remembered to turn on the fuel. While I prefer the idea of having carbs - not that I am actually good with them, the Scrambler has simple ones, almost identical to those on my H-D and KLR. I can take them apart and clean them (haven't had to yet), whereas my only EFI bike runs poorly and no one in a couple hundred mile radius seems to know how or wants to make it run right. I can't say what is right for you but I would go with the simpler carbed version and get the accessories already on it.
I got one (short) ride in before our weather turned back to 'normal' (38 and raining), it was an immediate reminder as to why I love this bike. There is nothing that it is "best" at, but it is fun and easy to ride, an everyday reminder of the simple joy of being on two wheels. Sport bikes can out brake, out corner and leave me in the dust, 'real' dual-sports can go places that I have no business going - I don't care - I am having fun every minute (well, except that time the rain turned to snow and .....) that I am on the bike. YMMV!


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Old 04-23-2012, 09:18 AM   #15264
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Hi,

New guy here, been following the thread for a while.

I'm really considering buying a Scrambler this week but the dealer has 2 second-hand Scramblers. Both are from 2008 he says, one's blue/white (carb) and the other is black (EFI). I thought those 2 models weren't for sale in the same year (2008 in this case) or were they? Might as well be the first registry date, I'll have to check that this week...

Anyway.. :) My question is: what are the differences between those 2 engines considering these are 2 second hand bikes, what effect has the age on those 2 engines?

If the difference is negligible I'll probably go with the blue/white carb model which has centerstand, flyscreen, skidplate and tachograph, the black has no extra's. The color doesn't matter that much to me, like 'em both.

I'll appreciate any advice :)

Get the one you like the colour of the best, then get in touch and we can go for a ride!
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:40 AM   #15265
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I have an 08 which was the last year for carbs in the US. I've only put 8K miles on it but it's been flawless.

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Old 04-23-2012, 10:07 AM   #15266
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Has anyone experience with this company: http://tecbikeparts.com/Home_Page.html

Prices for 2-1 exhaust and shocks seems unbelievable low...
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:22 AM   #15267
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Has anyone experience with this company: http://tecbikeparts.com/Home_Page.html

Prices for 2-1 exhaust and shocks seems unbelievable low...
I bought and installed a centerstand kit from them, about $100. It's OK except the tire rubs on the left side (I'm running a 130/90-17 instead of 130/80-17 but that tire was super close) and the retention spring is too weak IMO, although I haven't ridden he bike yet with it on (in the middle of converting Thrux to Scram) but it surely will bang around riding with such a weak spring. So some rework on my part will be needed on that item to make it road-worthy.

I also just bought and received the billet finned carb covers which are nice, they are getting anodized black right now.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:07 AM   #15268
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Get the '08 with the carbs. More options for the future.
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:05 PM   #15269
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I agree, get the carb'd bike. I like my EFI, but given the option I'd go carbs.
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:39 PM   #15270
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I agree, get the carb'd bike. I like my EFI, but given the option I'd go carbs.
IMO there is no advantage in opting for carbed models other than the freedom to spend big bucks on fancy racing carbs as pictured two posts above. The EFI system is far easier to tune with a PCV and bucket loads cheaper than fitting carbs. Getting the air/fuel right and therefore maximum power are far easier to achieve with EFI.
The stock EFI throttle bodies can be enlarged to 39mm and flowed for about $500 with specialist companies which again makes it a cheaper option. My Scram is currently producing 93.5hp and 72ft/lb.

While any carb'ed Scrambler will run sweet enough, you wont be doing yourself any favours if you let some nostalgic notion of carburetors cloud your vision! EFI is the better option.
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