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Old 02-21-2012, 07:06 AM   #14866
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Mileage also depends on altitude. My Victory gets FAR better mpg's when I'm up in the mountains in Colorado.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:46 AM   #14867
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Thanks so mucheveryone..

Why not progressive springs. vs. just single rate?

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Progressives have a soft initial rate then a far stiffer secondary spring rate, gives you a nice comfy ride over small bumps & irregularities. The problem is half your travel on the soft rate is taken up with static sag when you sit on the bike so you tend to blow through the first rate & hit the stiff rate too soon especially on a bike like the Scram that has little suspension travel anyway.
A single rate spring while not giving that initial soft ride can use a lesser rate spring than the secondary rate on a progressive spring because it is in effect doing the same amount of work over a longer distance of fork travel, = overall more compliant suspension. Stiffer in the first instance but more compliant on the big hits. If you are pootling the burbs progressive is fine, get onto rough roads & not so good.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:59 AM   #14868
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A single rate spring while not giving that initial soft ride can use a lesser rate spring than the secondary rate on a progressive spring because it is in effect doing the same amount of work over a longer distance of fork travel, = overall more compliant suspension. Stiffer in the first instance but more compliant on the big hits. If you are pootling the burbs progressive is fine, get onto rough roads & not so good.
Great way of explaining it..thanks..and for some strange reason, I trust you!

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Old 02-21-2012, 09:47 AM   #14869
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Hey, which YSS shocks did you get and what size did you go with? They're on my short list.

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After installing RaceTech springs and emulators, along with YSS shocks on the rear, I decided to take my new Scrambler for its first, real off-road tour today in some City of San Diego canyon action. It rained two days ago in San Diego, so I soon hit some muddy patches. Good thing I had motocross boots on, because that beast likes to sliiiiiiiide. Eventually, I ended up in a really rocky canyon wash; the kind of wash where the entire ground is covered with round rocks. I just stood up and pounded my way through and it sailed over those mamas. Oh man, this beast is a heavy one but it handled those boulders. The Scram is nothing like those 300-pound XLs and XTs I used to ride in my 20s! Still, I managed my way through without laying her down. Kinda fun for a dude in his late 40s, but my forearms are feeling it after almost getting her stuck in the mud and rocks a couple times. Glad to know the Scrambler can handle some rough stuff. I’m really looking forward to some flat-out fire roads in the San Diego County back country. Hosed her off. She’s ready for Monday’s commute to work!

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Old 02-22-2012, 07:14 AM   #14870
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could someone tell me what you gain from the air box removal (using the kit) and the air injection removal, specifically on a 2012 scrambler? Why do it?, what are the benefits of doing it?

if the bike already had the arrow 2-1 exhaust, so it has the map for it, do you need a different map if you do the above mods?
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:09 AM   #14871
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In my opinion the airbox removal is more for carbureted Scramblers.
You add exhaust, jet out the carbs, and airbox removal allows for more additional air. Plus potential tough tuning.
Your 2012 being fuel injected, I feel exhaust, proper map and a aftermarket air filter (Twin Air or Uni), in the stock airbox, will serve you well. It is such a simple, easy good running combo. I don't believe there is a map taking in air box removal(?).
I'll catch flak here, but I do not see the need to remove the AI.
Some say their bike runs better, maybe cooler or maybe less popping.
To me its visual only, ie, get that plumbing out of there! And easier plug replacement.
I have golden pipes (sign of a good tune), bike has never popped, and I haven't had to change plugs in 13k miles either (I will soon). AI still on.
You may want to check and see if removing your AI affects the warranty...
AI IMO does not make your bike run bad.
Just my two cents worth!
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:48 AM   #14872
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Scrambler tyres

I have done a search around on the forum and have found a few posts on tyres. I mainly ride on the road with an occasional gravel road here and there. I have had Metzeler Tourances on my T100 and find them pretty good, but they are getting expensive over here. Have any of you guys any experience of Continental Trail Attack, or Avon Distanzia, or have any others you could recommend?
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:10 PM   #14873
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In my opinion the airbox removal is more for carbureted Scramblers.
You add exhaust, jet out the carbs, and airbox removal allows for more additional air. Plus potential tough tuning.
Your 2012 being fuel injected, I feel exhaust, proper map and a aftermarket air filter (Twin Air or Uni), in the stock airbox, will serve you well. It is such a simple, easy good running combo. I don't believe there is a map taking in air box removal(?).
I'll catch flak here, but I do not see the need to remove the AI.
Some say their bike runs better, maybe cooler or maybe less popping.
To me its visual only, ie, get that plumbing out of there! And easier plug replacement.
I have golden pipes (sign of a good tune), bike has never popped, and I haven't had to change plugs in 13k miles either (I will soon). AI still on.
You may want to check and see if removing your AI affects the warranty...
AI IMO does not make your bike run bad.
Just my two cents worth!
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The EFI Scram is not a hot performance bike and the AI mod and airbox removal is not going to make a noticeable difference when driving the bike as it was intended. Changing the exhaust to something lighter is expensive, but will make a noticeable difference in the sound, weight, and look of the bike.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:01 PM   #14874
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I have done a search around on the forum and have found a few posts on tyres. I mainly ride on the road with an occasional gravel road here and there. I have had Metzeler Tourances on my T100 and find them pretty good, but they are getting expensive over here. Have any of you guys any experience of Continental Trail Attack, or Avon Distanzia, or have any others you could recommend?
Thanks.
I've had Distanzias on my Scrambler ever since I binned the OEM Death Wings. The Distanzias have good grip and excellent handling on pavement in all weather, as well as on gravel roads. I'm happy enough with them not to want to try anything else.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:18 PM   #14875
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I've had Distanzias on my Scrambler ever since I binned the OEM Death Wings. The Distanzias have good grip and excellent handling on pavement in all weather, as well as on gravel roads. I'm happy enough with them not to want to try anything else.
+1 on the Distanzias. I got 10k out of my last set and just spooned on the next. Didn't consider any other tires.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:48 PM   #14876
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I've had Distanzias on my Scrambler ever since I binned the OEM Death Wings. The Distanzias have good grip and excellent handling on pavement in all weather, as well as on gravel roads. I'm happy enough with them not to want to try anything else.
I replaced the original "Brickstones" with Conti Trail Attacks at about 2500 miles, and I love them. Most of my riding is on pavement with the occasional groomed dirt road excursion. The Trail Attacks have been great. I got over 9K miles out of the rear before I replaced it with another, and I'm going on 12K on the front with plenty of tread remaining and no cupping. The Trail Attack is rated at 80% on road and 20% off road. It grips very well on both wet or dry pavement, and is good on groomed dirt and gravel. I wouldn't recommend them for for single track or mud. For that, I'd go with the TKC80s.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:22 PM   #14877
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I have done a search around on the forum and have found a few posts on tyres. I mainly ride on the road with an occasional gravel road here and there. I have had Metzeler Tourances on my T100 and find them pretty good, but they are getting expensive over here. Have any of you guys any experience of Continental Trail Attack, or Avon Distanzia, or have any others you could recommend?
Thanks.
I had a set of Avon Distanzia's on after the Tourances, better grip & got around 8000kms from the rear & 12000kms from the front, back on Tourance now & due for another rear...I think when I replace both I'll go for Distanzia again.

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Old 02-23-2012, 01:34 AM   #14878
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Snorkle removal

Hi.... I'm sure its been covered here before but I'm interested in pro's and con's of snorkle removal - the removal process seems fairly straight forward but what are the benefits, free'er breathing motor and better performance ?
Possible increase in dirt/dust being drawn into the air box ? I've also heard of some Triumph owners cutting off the half of the rubber tube that fits inside the filter but leaving the external part of the snorkle in place - any thoughts on this ? After snorkel removal has it also been necessary to alter main jet sizes ? - my bike is an 06 (carb'ed) with standard pipes & "bafflectomy" carried out by previous owner - Thanks
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:44 AM   #14879
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In my opinion the airbox removal is more for carbureted Scramblers.
You add exhaust, jet out the carbs, and airbox removal allows for more additional air. Plus potential tough tuning.
Your 2012 being fuel injected, I feel exhaust, proper map and a aftermarket air filter (Twin Air or Uni), in the stock airbox, will serve you well. It is such a simple, easy good running combo. I don't believe there is a map taking in air box removal(?).
I'll catch flak here, but I do not see the need to remove the AI.
Some say their bike runs better, maybe cooler or maybe less popping.
To me its visual only, ie, get that plumbing out of there! And easier plug replacement.
I have golden pipes (sign of a good tune), bike has never popped, and I haven't had to change plugs in 13k miles either (I will soon). AI still on.
You may want to check and see if removing your AI affects the warranty...
AI IMO does not make your bike run bad.
Just my two cents worth!
Max, have you done the airbox removal on a carbed bike? I don't recall if yours is a carb job or not. I'm kicking around the idea of an airbox removal kit on my setup for a little more zip.

Regarding AI, I removed mine to clean things up a bit for appearances and make spark plug changing a less knuckle-busting affair. It removed exhaust popping on decel/engine braking and I kind of miss it.
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:52 AM   #14880
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Max, have you done the airbox removal on a carbed bike? I don't recall if yours is a carb job or not. I'm kicking around the idea of an airbox removal kit on my setup for a little more zip.

Regarding AI, I removed mine to clean things up a bit for appearances and make spark plug changing a less knuckle-busting affair. It removed exhaust popping on decel/engine braking and I kind of miss it.
My '10 Scrambler is the EFI version Motoblag. Yes I have the airbox. No I have not removed an airbox.
My bike never pops at any time. The pipe/filter/map works good on my bike.
I have raced it through the twisties may times with other bikes, wringing it to within an inch of its life! LOL
On knobbies. Go Scrambler.
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