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Old 01-09-2012, 08:48 PM   #22576
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OK, I know you guys want to know.

One of the companies that Spec. sued out of existence was Stratos suspension. They claimed that they infringed on the Spec. inertia valve patent even though the Stratos inertia valve shock was patented before Specialized. The lawsuit bled Strato dry and it never even made it into court.....

Just an example......

Keep in mind though, if you search for law suits in the bike industry there are TONS! I was floored at how many companies have sued each other over the years..... It's not just Specialized. I am starting to think most of the money you pay for, for bikes goes to the legal department. Just stupid.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:22 PM   #22577
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... Seems it's about Specialized just plain strong-arming their employees (and former ones, too) and their shops. What they've done, over the last couple years, is try to control more than what they're entitled. ...
Every computer company I've worked for, you sign a NDA and rights of invention agreement, anything you do on company time is theirs, period. anything you do off company time that is closely related to their business, they also have first refusal on any inventions. If you do something on your own time that's in a different line of business, its yours. I understand this. If I'm working as a engineer (or whatever) for International Widgets, its pretty natural for me to get a idea for a better widget, and even if I develop that on my own time, there's a very definite conflict of interest and I am in breach of that covenant. Even if these guys are claiming they were in hte water bottle division, they were working inside Specialized, and exposed to all sorts of things, chatting with coworkers at lunch, whatever.

As someone said above, Specialed does have a long and sordid history of coming down hard on anything resembling design, copyright, or trademark violations, protecting their brand.


FWIW, I also have several Specialized bikes too... and a fair amount of gear. I'm not taking sides.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:53 AM   #22578
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Keep in mind though, if you search for law suits in the bike industry there are TONS! I was floored at how many companies have sued each other over the years..... It's not just Specialized.
The publicity on this case may be the problem. It's been going on, for over a year. Yet, it's just now starting to gain real public attention. Lately, Volagi has made a concerted effort to put stuff out there and paint Specialized in a bad light.

I agree. There probably are a ton of cases we never hear about.

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I am starting to think most of the money you pay for, for bikes goes to the legal department. Just stupid.
Legal department, marketing, and overhead.

When I know of what framesets can be wholesale bought for from Taiwan/China, I'm sickened, when I see what the big brands want for 'em.

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Every computer company I've worked for, you sign a NDA and rights of invention agreement, anything you do on company time is theirs, period. anything you do off company time that is closely related to their business, they also have first refusal on any inventions. If you do something on your own time that's in a different line of business, its yours. I understand this. If I'm working as a engineer (or whatever) for International Widgets, its pretty natural for me to get a idea for a better widget, and even if I develop that on my own time, there's a very definite conflict of interest and I am in breach of that covenant. Even if these guys are claiming they were in hte water bottle division, they were working inside Specialized, and exposed to all sorts of things, chatting with coworkers at lunch, whatever.
Makes sense.

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FWIW, I also have several Specialized bikes too... and a fair amount of gear. I'm not taking sides.
Probably, not a bad way to be.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:00 AM   #22579
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So I just finished week 4 of Time Crunched Cyclist. Today was just 2 hours endurance miles at zone 2. Ended up with 49 miles average speed 21.7mph. Total of 417 miles for the month. This week will be a rest week. Need to clean and lube the bike.
Yer gonna be an animal!

Remind me to pack my good legs if/when I come out there and go riding!

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Old 01-10-2012, 07:02 AM   #22580
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When I know of what framesets can be wholesale bought for from Taiwan/China, I'm sickened, when I see what the big brands want for 'em.
QBP's Foundry anyone?

Looks suspiciously like Pedal Force

Just sayin

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Old 01-10-2012, 07:11 AM   #22581
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2012 Giant Reign 2 Review

Picked up my 2012 Giant Reign 2 last Wednesday, and taken it out for two mountain rides so far. This is the most high end bike I've ever ridden and am coming off a Large Specialized Rockhopperto the XL Reign. The suspension is insane, and haven't bottomed it even though I have another 50 or so PSI I can put in the rear shock. (I weigh 275lbs.)

The rake on the bike is also one of the biggest differences I can feel. Instead of manhandling it like I did with my specialized, it's more 'point and shoot' and let the 150mm of travel take the hits. The steering is more forgiving and less touchy (something I'm going to counter with shorter stem and wider bars) and brakes, shifting and overall build quality is amazing. I would definitely recommend. If you want any other info let me know, the Giant website is somewhat non-descript and I wasn't able to find much information on the internet before I bought it.
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:02 AM   #22582
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QBP's Foundry anyone?

Looks suspiciously like Pedal Force

Just sayin

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First time I've heard of Pedal Force.

I'm surprised Scott isn't in a tizzy about PF's use of "CX" in their 'cross nomenclature.

I'm sure recognize this, which is probably what brought about this. I'd like to think it's fairly common knowledge that Pinarello are made in China and painted/decaled in Italy.
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:08 AM   #22583
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Picked up my 2012 Giant Reign 2
For sure, a badass bike. We don't see those around here, as it's really too much bike for our terrain.
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:15 AM   #22584
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For sure, a badass bike. We don't see those around here, as it's really too much bike for our terrain.

Thanks man! It's a huge huge bike, most money I've ever spent on anything without a motor. I'm what the biking industry calls a clydesdale, (6'8", 275 lbs.) so I'm interested to see how the pivots and susp holds up because I like to ride as hard as I can. I was assured by Fox, Giant and my lbs that the bike was built to handle my weight and riding style (even some lift served downhill). We'll see! maybe I'll throw up some pics soon.

Does anyone know of a good mountain bike club in CT? Just looking to join up and meet people who love to ride that aren't douschers (not that I've met any yet)
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:46 AM   #22585
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Thanks man! It's a huge huge bike, most money I've ever spent on anything without a motor.
With MTBs, one can definitely tell the difference in the performance vs cost ratio; definitely don't skimp. My GF rode my spare MTB (Anthem 1), in replacement of her fully rigid MTB. All it took was one ride for her to step up and buy a FS rig. Her old MTB is, now, her town bike.

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I'm what the biking industry calls a clydesdale, (6'8", 275 lbs.) so I'm interested to see how the pivots and susp holds up because I like to ride as hard as I can. I was assured by Fox, Giant and my lbs that the bike was built to handle my weight and riding style (even some lift served downhill).
My MTB partner, mentioned a few pages back, is a big dude (6' 4" @ ~260lbs), like you. He broke his GF HiFi Pro and the Fox fork internally broke something. Trek replaced his frame with a EX9 and Fox repaired and upgraded his fork and shock. The Fox tech said the fork issue was from the high psi he was running to support his weight. He upgraded the axles to 15mm/12mm thru-axles, into an all-mountain wheelset, and is, now, looking at a 203mm front rotor upgrade. Anyway, the breakages had him considering of going to an all-mountain MTB and was looking at Specialized Enduros. Like you, we'll see what happens with this setup. I'm just glad I'm of normal weight and size, as I couldn't afford to replace everything he's broken, over the years.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:29 AM   #22586
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That is amazing. Nice work.

I need to carefully build miles and time in the saddle. When I am in the saddle I keep my spin up. I don't worry so much about speed, but focus on time and feeling my way with how hard it is to breathe, and spin. If my spin slows, I drop down a gear. I'm averaging about 15 to 16 mph and can manage that for about three hours right now. That last mile climb back to the house kills me still.

This time of the year I can gain just a bit by riding 4 to 6 hours on the weekends and running and walking during the week.
Last night the wife and I went for a half hour walk. We live in big hills so walking at almost 4 mph we had a good workout.

I got some new pretty white bar wrap so I can return my bike to stock look. Plus I like the wite tape look better than the more practical black.

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So I just finished week 4 of Time Crunched Cyclist. Today was just 2 hours endurance miles at zone 2. Ended up with 49 miles average speed 21.7mph. Total of 417 miles for the month. This week will be a rest week. Need to clean and lube the bike.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:39 AM   #22587
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When I was in college and working for Coors on the can line, (QC); we had to sign an NDA. And not just for beer or canning related stuff. Anything.
That was supposed to tie me up for three years I think.
I signed one when I worked for Intergraph, then for a itty-bitty laser radar place, then at Boeing.
Mostly non-competes can only really be defended for like industries. Like if I went off and started building commercial jets.

Motorcycle shops never asked to sign one.
And I liked those jobs best of all.

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As someone said above, Specialed does have a long and sordid history of coming down hard on anything resembling design, copyright, or trademark violations, protecting their brand.


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Old 01-10-2012, 09:47 AM   #22588
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And I liked those jobs best of all.
Same here.

Fortunately, I get to help out around a bike shop. That's a hobby/sport I thoroughly enjoy and am around like-minded people.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:33 AM   #22589
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That is amazing. Nice work.

I need to carefully build miles and time in the saddle. When I am in the saddle I keep my spin up. I don't worry so much about speed, but focus on time and feeling my way with how hard it is to breathe, and spin. If my spin slows, I drop down a gear. I'm averaging about 15 to 16 mph and can manage that for about three hours right now. That last mile climb back to the house kills me still.

This time of the year I can gain just a bit by riding 4 to 6 hours on the weekends and running and walking during the week.
Last night the wife and I went for a half hour walk. We live in big hills so walking at almost 4 mph we had a good workout.

I got some new pretty white bar wrap so I can return my bike to stock look. Plus I like the wite tape look better than the more practical black.
I'm surprised that I can ride as long and strong as I can in the Aerobic zone since I am a 20 year, pack a day ex-smoker. Climbs and sprints kick my ass. I'm hoping this workout program fixes that since I live on the bench of the Wasatch front. All the best rides are climbs. I am finding that I am working further up the cassette to maintain the same heart rate. I pretty much ride 90-100 rpm cadence all the time except climbs. I can sprint up to 120-130 rpm for very short periods. I would like to get into some group rides and learn to paceline.
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Old 01-10-2012, 11:54 AM   #22590
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With MTBs, one can definitely tell the difference in the performance vs cost ratio; definitely don't skimp. My GF rode my spare MTB (Anthem 1), in replacement of her fully rigid MTB. All it took was one ride for her to step up and buy a FS rig. Her old MTB is, now, her town bike.



My MTB partner, mentioned a few pages back, is a big dude (6' 4" @ ~260lbs), like you. He broke his GF HiFi Pro and the Fox fork internally broke something. Trek replaced his frame with a EX9 and Fox repaired and upgraded his fork and shock. The Fox tech said the fork issue was from the high psi he was running to support his weight. He upgraded the axles to 15mm/12mm thru-axles, into an all-mountain wheelset, and is, now, looking at a 203mm front rotor upgrade. Anyway, the breakages had him considering of going to an all-mountain MTB and was looking at Specialized Enduros. Like you, we'll see what happens with this setup. I'm just glad I'm of normal weight and size, as I couldn't afford to replace everything he's broken, over the years.

Yeah, I totally agree. I actually never broke anything on my Rockhopper, and I rode that thing hard, even jumped a few doubles on it. I may actually be a smoother rider than I realized because it's not the first time I've heard of other who are smaller than me breaking stuff. The only thing I often did was blow the wheels way out of true, had to get them trued every few months. The Reign has 15/12mm thru axles (I believe) and Fox says you can have 300psi in the susp. I have 250 in the front and 280 in the rear IIRC, along with a small lower volume sleeve in the rear shock. My LBS was telling me that if I start bottoming often, they can further reduce the volume in the rear shock. It's nice to know I have more adjustability in the rear. I continue to try and lose weight to make this less of an issue, but it's not as easy in the winter I'm finding. A year or two down the road, I could see myself upgrading to a coil rear with a super heavy spring if the RP2 proves to be an issue.

I'm going to put another 2-3 ride on it and bring it in for a tune to get everything tightened back up and adjusted for the cable/chain stretch and all that. I'll let you guys know how it holds up. Can't wait to get back out in the woods with this thing.
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