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Old 05-29-2012, 02:29 PM   #23971
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I'm faster and climb better on my 29er than my 26er.

It may have something to do with the ~6lb weight difference.

That said, riding the heavier bike for the last several years has conditioned me to the point of riding up with the fast kids now that I'm on a equally capable and lighter 29er.

Some of them used to try to drop me on climbs but they've learned that I'm there to stay.

OTOH -Having gone down kinda hard on a steepish section on the 29er I've been checking my speed on HD's until I regain my confidence. (It's a slow process because my aim is the long term.)
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:56 PM   #23972
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OTOH -Having gone down kinda hard on a steepish section on the 29er I've been checking my speed on HD's until I regain my confidence. (It's a slow process because my aim is the long term.)[/QUOTE]


And broken collarbones and separated shoulders are no fun atall! Ask me how I know!
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Old 05-29-2012, 03:04 PM   #23973
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its a lot easier on your bike and wallet to learn how to pick a line and ride smoothly.

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And why is this not possible on a 29er?
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Old 05-29-2012, 03:09 PM   #23974
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And broken collarbones and separated shoulders are no fun atall! Ask me how I know!
I cracked two ribs each of the first two years after getting back into mountain biking. I was afraid it was going to become a tradition
Thankfully, haven't cracked any ribs since 2008.
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Old 05-29-2012, 04:22 PM   #23975
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I cracked two ribs each of the first two years after getting back into mountain biking. I was afraid it was going to become a tradition
Thankfully, haven't cracked any ribs since 2008.
Werd! I separated my shoulder in '99 on the Fat Chance, first ride with my new Time Atac's. Popped a wheelie in a neighbors driveway, bounced off a tree, while failing at unclipping, and had my first visit with Vicodin. Collarbone was on the M/C, but a few firsts there too. First ambulance ride ever. First taste of Morphine. First long ride home with then GF while not talking for hours... Not things I want to repeat anytime soon! the plus side of the collarbone was it happened at the beginning of the '03 TDF. I laid on the couch for 3 weeks watching bike racing, popping Vicodin.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:19 PM   #23976
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its a lot easier on your bike and wallet to learn how to pick a line and ride smoothly.
I started learning much faster on a FS bike. Because when I chose a bad line, I still knew it -- the squish doesn't hide your mistakes, it just reduces the associated penalty a bit. That made me bolder about trying new things, which helped me to learn more quickly. Also, I didn't wear out nearly as quickly from soaking up the hits with my legs, so I rode more, which also contributed to faster learning.

But more importantly: I have more fun riding a more capable machine. That's what it's all about in the end.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:52 PM   #23977
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I'm faster on my 29er than on my 26er on my timed route that I've been riding for four years. I also climb better on it and clear a lot of rocky ledge climbs that I never could before it. I broke my rear derailleur on my Niner and went back to my Yeti 26er and didn't like it. I sold it once I got my Niner fixed. Different strokes I guess.
Odd that you should say that. I shaved over 20 seconds off my best lap time on my favorite local trail just by switching to a 26er. Both my 29er and 26's have carbon fiber frames, and weigh about the same (~27 lbs), but the amount of inertia those big 29er wheels produce makes the bike feel much more sluggish during rapid directional changes. I really want to love the 29er, but the 26er is a much more enjoyable and engaging ride.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:08 PM   #23978
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Odd that you should say that. I shaved over 20 seconds off my best lap time on my favorite local trail just by switching to a 26er. Both my 29er and 26's have carbon fiber frames, and weigh about the same (~27 lbs), but the amount of inertia those big 29er wheels produce makes the bike feel much more sluggish during rapid directional changes. I really want to love the 29er, but the 26er is a much more enjoyable and engaging ride.
I can easily see feeling that way. I do get that sluggishness too when I try to rapidly accelerate out of a slow section. In order to get the faster time I had to change my riding style and start carrying more speed through the corners in order to keep my momentum up and keep those big wheels rolling. We have a lot of rocks out here so the big wheels help on that too which is one of the reasons I switched.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:36 PM   #23979
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I quit riding my 26er once I got my 29er. Having re-entered cycling 3-4 yrs. ago on a 'cross bike, I feel like I've learned to better manage the larger wheels on the trail. It's faster and less tiring for the type of riding I do- mostly XC type stuff. To be fair, it is slightly lighter than the old 26er with much better componentry (2X10 kicks ass!). I sent the 26er to go live with my brother last weekend.
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Old 05-30-2012, 12:40 AM   #23980
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This isn't mine but same spec as this one, weighs a ton, 8ichs travel front and rear and rides smooth as.

haven't read through all these posts but just seeing how many other DH guys are out there
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:57 AM   #23981
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Another Go Pro filmed video from and early morning ride on Sunday.

This time on my Reign.

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Old 05-30-2012, 05:30 AM   #23982
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I can easily see feeling that way. I do get that sluggishness too when I try to rapidly accelerate out of a slow section. In order to get the faster time I had to change my riding style and start carrying more speed through the corners in order to keep my momentum up and keep those big wheels rolling. We have a lot of rocks out here so the big wheels help on that too which is one of the reasons I switched.
I get the part about having to carry more speed into the turns on the 29er. But here's the problem I've had doing that: if I don't know the trail like the back of my hand, and can't see all the way through the turn, I have no way to anticipate what I'll encounter once I'm in it. Modulating my speed to make rapid course and speed adjustments in response to changes in terrain is much easier with the 26er's lighter wheels and quicker steering. The same thing happens in steep hill climbs, where you can rocket upwards only to find that your path takes you straight into a big rock or root that you couldn't see from below, or that the trail suddenly makes a sharp turn at the top. This happens all the time on the Red trails at Santos, or the steep climbs at Chuck Lennon. Having ridden those same trails on both bikes, there is no doubt in my mind that the 26er turning quickness and ability to accelerate and stop faster were a huge benefit. And when you're 51 years old, you really come to appreciate the 26er's plush 6" suspension travel when going off drops. Trust me.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:37 AM   #23983
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And why is this not possible on a 29er?
Never said it wasn't. ...but but its easier on equipment and your wallet if you do.

Take my buddy on the 29er who dinged his rim on a rock but I didn't (on my 26er) its all about picking lines and riding smoothly. Luckily, he got the rim straightened back out for free, if he hadn't Reynolds rims aren't cheap!

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Old 05-30-2012, 05:43 AM   #23984
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Never said it wasn't. ...but but its easier on equipment and your wallet if you do.

Take my buddy on the 29er who dinged his rim on a rock but I didn't (on my 26er) its all about picking lines and riding smoothly. Luckily, he got the rim straightened back out for free, if he hadn't Reynolds rims aren't cheap!

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I've been told repeatedly by 'people in the know' that a 26" rim can handle a lot more impact than a 29" rim. From a structural standpoint, it's not hard to see why, but I wonder just how big a difference there is. The dealer had no problem when I suggested I might eventually try the 10' drops at Santos on my 26er, but warned that doing anything like that on the 29er would likely result in structural failure and void the warranty.
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:03 AM   #23985
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I've been told repeatedly by 'people in the know' that a 26" rim can handle a lot more impact than a 29" rim. .
Not the rim, the wheel as a whole.... due to the length of the spokes....

And there is a big hit, DH 29'er.... made by Devin Lenz.... the Lenzsport PBJ
29" wheels, 7 inches of travel..

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