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Old 08-24-2012, 07:15 AM   #24931
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You're not following the conversation, are you. Gummee (and some others) have made it perfectly clear by what they mean when they use the word 'racing'. They're referring to a sanctioned competition between multiple competitors on an established course according to certain established racing rules. That plainly has nothing to do with the sorts of things recorded on Strava, like climbing a hill 1/10 of a mile in length, or doing your fastest lap time around a course no more than 1.5 miles long. There are plenty of racers who use Strava and post these sorts of results, but I have yet to see a single one claiming they constitute 'race results'.

Your question, 'why post their results', only shows that you're unacquainted with Strava. When you upload a certain run that happens to coincide with any one of the millions of trail segments in Strava's database, it will automatically be entered on the leader board. Posting those results there is not a choice that I or anyone else makes; it's just the way Strava is set up to work. Does this occasionally give rise to some informal competition? Sure, just like I tend to push myself harder at the gym when I see someone else lifting more than I am, or ride a bit faster on the trail when someone passes me. That doesn't make it a race.
I guess you're missing MY point. People choose to use Strava - there's plenty other way to record your own personal performance. The users of Strava choose to use it and so they know they are indeed, willingly or otherwise, entering into a race.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:59 AM   #24932
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From this morning, I wish I had the ability to menuvar through obstacles like my quick and nimble riding partner.

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:27 AM   #24933
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from this morning, i wish i had the ability to menuvar through obstacles like my quick and nimble riding partner.


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Old 08-24-2012, 09:33 AM   #24934
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I'm thinkin' it'd be sorta weird to trade a motorcycle for a bicycle, but I'm getting really close. Would you do it?

This



for this



I just don't ride the Dakar anymore and our asking prices are pretty well in line.

The TrueFab is almost new, great components all around and it'll be ridden several times per week as opposed to the Dakar's almost never.

Wouldja? Or am I nuts?
I've done it the other way. Got a nice ATK out of the deal.

Barter is a good thing.

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:41 AM   #24935
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You're not following the conversation, are you. Gummee (and some others) have made it perfectly clear by what they mean when they use the word 'racing'. They're referring to a sanctioned competition between multiple competitors on an established course according to certain established racing rules. That plainly has nothing to do with the sorts of things recorded on Strava, like climbing a hill 1/10 of a mile in length, or doing your fastest lap time around a course no more than 1.5 miles long. There are plenty of racers who use Strava and post these sorts of results, but I have yet to see a single one claiming they constitute 'race results'.
Those are called Time Trials. You go as fast as you can for X distance. Shortest time wins. I'd say that's racing.

That big strava lawsuit over some dood that got killed trying to get a downhill 'KOM' is all about this very topic. Velo News had an article about it. In short: strava is acting like a race promoter by setting up segments that people try to beat. They take no responsibility for safety unlike a race promoter.

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Your question, 'why post their results', only shows that you're unacquainted with Strava. When you upload a certain run that happens to coincide with any one of the millions of trail segments in Strava's database, it will automatically be entered on the leader board. Posting those results there is not a choice that I or anyone else makes; it's just the way Strava is set up to work. Does this occasionally give rise to some informal competition? Sure, just like I tend to push myself harder at the gym when I see someone else lifting more than I am, or ride a bit faster on the trail when someone passes me. That doesn't make it a race.
...and I keep saying there's better ways to keep track of your numbers than stava. Privately. If you didn't want people to know how fast you're going, you'd use other software.

So I used to ride up the 101 in Sandy Eggo all the time. Used it for easy, flat rides (with lots of scenery). I had a neighbor that 'didn't race' that used to ride the same road(s) He'd brag all the time about how 'I dropped that guy... blah blah blah' I always humored him (gotta be on good terms with the neighbors) but always thought 'did that guy KNOW y'all were 'racing.' Its really easy to win a 1-horse race. '

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:05 AM   #24936
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From this morning, I wish I had the ability to menuvar through obstacles like my quick and nimble riding partner.



I share your choice in breed of dog

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:11 AM   #24937
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I could sit here and look at the Dakar 'till it sells (which, by the looks of things, could be years) or enjoy my new bicycle just about every day starting Saturday. The bicycle is winning at this point, but not a single one of my friends thinks it's a good idea so far. Then again, most are moto folk and not bicycle folk. Looks like you are moto/bicycle folk though and even you think I'm nuts. Maybe I sleeps on it again.
I've got a mountain bike that cost me more than a couple of the motorcycles I've owned. No regrets, as I've gotten many, many hours of fun out of that bicycle. I figure that at the end of the day, I'm not paying for a bicycle or motorcycle, but rather for the experiences that the bike or moto allows me to have.

If you didn't have the Dakar up for sale, would you consider paying cash for that bicycle? Or would you shop around for something less expensive?
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:55 AM   #24938
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nice!
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I share your choice in breed of dog

What is he wearing
It's a harness EZYDOG.COM that I use to attach him to my 26" cruiser on the local bike path. Hook'em up and go.

No need to be hooked up in the woods but I put it on him regardless of use, whenever we do anything bike related, just for association. He looks like this every time I pull it out of the pantry.

You know the breed, an active Boxer is a happy Boxer both mentally and physically.

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Old 08-24-2012, 11:43 AM   #24939
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Thanks man.



It's a harness EZYDOG.COM that I use to attach him to my 26" cruiser on the local bike path. Hook'em up and go.

No need to be hooked up in the woods but I put it on him regardless of use, whenever we do anything bike related, just for association. He looks like this every time I pull it out of the pantry.

You know the breed, an active Boxer is a happy Boxer both mentally and physically.

Well look at that - that is a neat idea.

I hear ya, mine sleeps 23 hours a day it seems but for that 1 hours he's awake, he's all energy
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:57 PM   #24940
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It's a harness EZYDOG.COM that I use to attach him to my 26" cruiser on the local bike path. Hook'em up and go.

No need to be hooked up in the woods but I put it on him regardless of use, whenever we do anything bike related, just for association. He looks like this every time I pull it out of the pantry.

That's awesome. If I tried that with my little dog, I would be dragging him down the road within the first quarter mile. If I tried it with my big dog, he'd be dragging me down the road within the first 100ft.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:41 PM   #24941
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Those are called Time Trials. You go as fast as you can for X distance. Shortest time wins. I'd say that's racing.
But not the kind of racing you approve of, apparently.

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...and I keep saying there's better ways to keep track of your numbers than stava. Privately. If you didn't want people to know how fast you're going, you'd use other software.
Why would you assume I'd want to keep my PR's a secret? I don't give a hoot whether my times are posted publicly or privately, so what would compel me to look for other software? So far I'm ranked 5th, 7th, 9th, and 18th on various leader boards. Many of the guys ahead of me are seasoned racers half my age. I don't have any illusions about beating their times, and I'm sure they aren't concerned about my PR's either. I'm not racing them and they're not racing me. These specious objections you're making suggest that you have some personal grudge against Strava, and that you're trying to invent reasons to justify it.
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:05 AM   #24942
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How does Strava compare to Garmin Connect? I am using Garmin because it loads the workouts onto my watch. It also tracks stuff and I don't care if my data is public or not. I don't think very many cyclist around here use Garmin or they keep their data private because I don't even get to see their routes on the map. New routes would be nice because I get bored with the same ole same ole all the time. I think you have to pay for Strava if you want to get a "suffer score" on you rides.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:55 AM   #24943
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How does Strava compare to Garmin Connect? I am using Garmin because it loads the workouts onto my watch. It also tracks stuff and I don't care if my data is public or not. I don't think very many cyclist around here use Garmin or they keep their data private because I don't even get to see their routes on the map. New routes would be nice because I get bored with the same ole same ole all the time. I think you have to pay for Strava if you want to get a "suffer score" on you rides.
I use the free 'basic' version of Strava because it tells me all I want to know. I recently purchased a Garmin Edge 800, but I don't know anything about Garmin Connect. Tell us more about it.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:50 AM   #24944
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That's awesome. If I tried that with my little dog, I would be dragging him down the road within the first quarter mile. If I tried it with my big dog, he'd be dragging me down the road within the first 100ft.
Surprisingly, it only took a few outings for him to get accustomed to pacing next to the bike, but it did take some work at first to keep him from going balls out all the time. He now adjust his speed according to mine, or I can get him rilled up and he's pulling me at 30MPH.
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Old 08-25-2012, 01:39 PM   #24945
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my college son picked up a kid trailer for his dog.... rode to a brewpub with a friend about 10 miles. dog refused to stay in the trailer on the way home and ran the entire 10 miles along side of them while they were booking a fast pace on their vintage steel roadies. crazy freekin' border collie mutt.

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