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Old 08-23-2012, 06:48 AM   #25006
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Easy, Gummee. Have a beer.
Can ya tell I think strava is about the most idiotic thing I've heard of?

If you're going to race. Race. If you're not, then why bother?!

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Old 08-23-2012, 06:56 AM   #25007
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At which point, sign up and RACE. Don't half-ass it.
Quite a few of these guys race. Pro racer David Wood holds the KOM at my favorite local trail. Another racer, Dale Serge, recently came close to claiming KOM. AFAIK, all the guys at the top of the Strava leader board race regularly, although I don't know how many of them do it professionally. Thankfully their training day out there is Thursday, a day I make sure not to be there.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:04 AM   #25008
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Can ya tell I think strava is about the most idiotic thing I've heard of?

If you're going to race. Race. If you're not, then why bother?!

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Yeah, you need to stop disseminating your feelings. Really, let it out. You'll feel better!

Honestly, there's so much gear out there, there's bound to be ridiculousness all around. I distinctly recall you being indignant when I said that carbon-fiber water bottle cages were ridiculous! Different strokes and all. Any reason to ride a bicycle is a valid one.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:51 AM   #25009
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Can ya tell I think strava is about the most idiotic thing I've heard of?

If you're going to race. Race. If you're not, then why bother?!

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Only a tiny percentage of bicycle riders have an interest in racing, in the sense that you understand the term. Many more find it interesting to chart their own progress or compare their achievements at local trails with others. That's what Strava allows them to do.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:54 AM   #25010
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Can ya tell I think strava is about the most idiotic thing I've heard of?

If you're going to race. Race. If you're not, then why bother?!

M
Yup...what he said. Burying yourself to bridge a gap can't be reproduced by using Strava, nothing replicates racing. Unless the atmospheric conditions are the same for everyone on a given circuit it is apples & oranges. Never been much for high score in Pong either, don't use a Camelbak, still use a frame pump, a San Marco Regal, GP4's...
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:18 AM   #25011
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Yup...what he said. Burying yourself to bridge a gap can't be reproduced by using Strava, nothing replicates racing.
Strava users aren't trying to replicate racing.
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:25 AM   #25012
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Yeah, you need to stop disseminating your feelings. Really, let it out. You'll feel better!

Honestly, there's so much gear out there, there's bound to be ridiculousness all around. I distinctly recall you being indignant when I said that carbon-fiber water bottle cages were ridiculous! Different strokes and all. Any reason to ride a bicycle is a valid one.
I did? Sorry.

The PRICES for CF cages are ridiculous. ...to hold a bottle?! (I got my pair for free, so there nyaa!)

AFA strava users not trying to replicate racing: What ARE they doing then?! Sounds like a race to me. ...only without any kind of real competition involved.

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Old 08-23-2012, 09:34 AM   #25013
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Strava users aren't trying to replicate racing.
Call it what you want, it's racing. Attempting to beat the best time is what then? I'm glad people are out riding, supporting the industry, acclimating the public to sharing the roads with cyclists, etc. Strava is goofy, but if it is the motivation for riding, that's great.
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:40 AM   #25014
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Strava's website states that even in optimal conditions, GPS tracking is only accurate to within 10 meters (33 feet). ... are riders placing entirely too much faith in their GPS to provide the degree of accuracy these results require?
Yup (without differential correction, that is).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_a...tioning_System

Factor in tree cover, cloud cover and how many satellites are used to triangulate your position and you have yourself more error than that. I wouldn't count on it in race conditions. Like Gumme said, first across the line is where it's at. Or a stopwatch at a TT.
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:45 AM   #25015
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Wow. While at my age I have absolutely ZERO interest in racing bikes, I do have a new found respect for those that do it competitively and do it well.

I've recently incorporated bike riding into my workout routine, nothing special, 20 to 25 mile rides on my mountain bike averaging 16/17 mph about 4 to 5 days a week for the last 3 months.

Had to take about 2 weeks off the bike but continued my other workout blocks, which include running 3-4 miles for cardio.

Wholly molly, I got back on the bike last evening to tackle a very familiar 25 mile ride only to break down (physically/mentally) at about mile 13 with an average speed of about 14 mph.

Pathetic.

I clearly see why some of you ride and train so aggressively, as if you don't someone else will.

Really? 2 measly weeks off the bike to drop this far back?

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Old 08-23-2012, 09:50 AM   #25016
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Call it what you want, it's racing. Attempting to beat the best time is what then? I'm glad people are out riding, supporting the industry, acclimating the public to sharing the roads with cyclists, etc. Strava is goofy, but if it is the motivation for riding, that's great.
When I trained with weights, I kept records of all my past performances. I did this to gauge my improvement and to test the results of various training methodologies, NOT because I had the slightest inclination to be a weight lifter or partake in weight lifting competitions. That's what Strava does for bicyclists, runners, etc. Others use it for no other reason other than to keep an electronic log of all the places they've been on their bicycles, motorcyclists, boats, etc.

It's as absurd to assume that anyone who uses Strava is a wannabe racer as it is to assume that racers don't use Strava. Both are patently false assumptions.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:01 AM   #25017
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AFA strava users not trying to replicate racing: What ARE they doing then?! Sounds like a race to me. ...only without any kind of real competition involved.

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Old 08-23-2012, 10:37 AM   #25018
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When I trained with weights, I kept records of all my past performances. I did this to gauge my improvement and to test the results of various training methodologies, NOT because I had the slightest inclination to be a weight lifter or partake in weight lifting competitions. That's what Strava does for bicyclists, runners, etc. Others use it for no other reason other than to keep an electronic log of all the places they've been on their bicycles, motorcyclists, boats, etc.

It's as absurd to assume that anyone who uses Strava is a wannabe racer as it is to assume that racers don't use Strava. Both are patently false assumptions.
Ok, I get that. What you were not doing is comparing your training records with another weight lifter's records/progress. Using other people's Strava posting's isn't exactly an academic approach to track progress. I have training records that date back to the 80's, they are only useful to me.

I wasn't assuming that those who use Strava are "wannabe racers", but if they are competing against other Strava users then what are they? How is that a measure of one's progress? I can ride the same circuit every day, and depending on the conditions have a large disparity in average speed. Comparing my ride with another rider when wind and temp conditions are variable is not an accurate measure of progress.

Tracking you personal information with GPS data is great, I use Garmin products to accomplish the same thing. I don't compete with other Garmin users though.
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:42 AM   #25019
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When I trained with weights, I kept records of all my past performances. I did this to gauge my improvement and to test the results of various training methodologies, NOT because I had the slightest inclination to be a weight lifter or partake in weight lifting competitions. That's what Strava does for bicyclists, runners, etc. Others use it for no other reason other than to keep an electronic log of all the places they've been on their bicycles, motorcyclists, boats, etc.

It's as absurd to assume that anyone who uses Strava is a wannabe racer as it is to assume that racers don't use Strava. Both are patently false assumptions.
That's great, but did you post your weights up on the innerwebs for people to try and beat? Hey LOOKIT ME! I lifted 300#! Beat that! That's strava.

Keeping records on your own is easier to do on other software.

I know racers that are strava users. Rode with at least one last nite. The difference is emphasis. They're using strava as a training tool, its certainly not a race to them.

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Old 08-23-2012, 11:46 AM   #25020
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Everyone knows the real reason for Strava to use the KOM concept - it's simply there to drive traffic to their site. More traffic means more $$$ for them. The KOM crap is simply a gimmick and a rather good one at that. Some will certainly find it useful, others could care less. YMMV of course.
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