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Old 08-23-2012, 09:37 PM   #25036
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Is there a thread somewhere about all the ADV guys doing moto support at the US Pro Cycling Challenge?
no there are 3 or 4

one in inmates, one in the rockies regional, i think one in perfect line, and probably one somewhere else i forgot.


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heh. Thing is, the Dakar's going one way or another. I don't ride it anymore and have no plans to other than to keep it from wasting away. It just isn't generating interest and I've been talking to the bicycle guy for over a month now. I do need a FS bike. And it doesn't get much better. I could sit here and look at the Dakar 'till it sells (which, by the looks of things, could be years) or enjoy my new bicycle just about every day starting Saturday. The bicycle is winning at this point, but not a single one of my friends thinks it's a good idea so far. Then again, most are moto folk and not bicycle folk. Looks like you are moto/bicycle folk though and even you think I'm nuts. Maybe I sleeps on it again.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:52 AM   #25037
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I'm thinkin' it'd be sorta weird to trade a motorcycle for a bicycle, but I'm getting really close. Would you do it?



Wouldja? Or am I nuts?
Been there done that. If your not using the Dakar why not?
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:48 AM   #25038
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I just sold my bandit because I have ridden it 3500kms in the last 12 months and have done 7500kms on my 3 bicycles

And I just clocked up 3000kms of commuting since January.
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:11 AM   #25039
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Would you do it?
If I had no intentions of riding that Dakar , and the pricing is parallel, sure.
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:21 AM   #25040
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The comparison doesn't make sense. In order to see my Strava results, I have no option but to upload them to Strava's website. When I do that, Strava automatically arranges them alongside other people's results. I don't post them there for others to look at; that's just how the software works. Now, let's say that my times were in fact good enough to be at the top of the leader board. Why would it trouble you that other riders might see that as a challenge and try to beat my times? If wanting to better my results inspires others to improve their skills, what's wrong with that? Conversely, what's wrong with me training harder because I'm dissatisfied with results that place me somewhere in the middle of the pack, when I prefer to be near the top?



Precisely my point. Strava is not racing, and I don't know of anyone who thinks it is. There is no reason to assume that anyone looking to earn a KOM has any interest in doing the sort of racing you do.
What a load of tosh

Of course it's racing, they are racing against time and then posting the results - that's the key. If they weren't racing against others, why post their results

So, your logic, the IOM TT is not racing since, er, well, the riders don't actually race against each other but race against the clock.
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:30 AM   #25041
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I use my Strava account to track my workouts, and pretty much ignore everybody elses. Though I will admit to having a look at segment speeds and times. Some of those are crazy fast. But, I've also seen how some guys make those. Silliness.
Racing it is not. But, as humans we will compete no matter what the medium.
Post count?
Notches in the belt lost, gained?

Worn out tires, used kleenex? What's next?

Since I'm on an extended business trip for what may turn out to be the rest of the year, (I've been off my bike for over three weeks now), I've been trying to get my running going. My Strava account comes in handy for my own route planning. Not a lot of hills out here. I get between 34 and 48 feet of climbing depending on which about 4 mile loop I take. I see a few bikes out whenever I run, in fact since I'm at the edge of town I see a good number of after work riders and early morning weekend riders and less than a handful of commuters braving the cars here in Levelland.

Now one thing my Strava account did for me was make it possible for me to easily figure out how poor the conversion was for my companies physical conditioning program. We have this moving thing every year. This year they gave out a $100 gift card for sports equipment, (nope to to the LBS dammit.), if I managed to average 15,000 steps per day. I did, by a good margin. I'd planned to double that figure but overtime, split shifts and weekend work put a stop to that. I only managed around 19,000 steps.
Now the odd thing was the company conversion said I'd walked 404 miles when in fact I'd walked only some of it and ridden 595 miles. A normal day at work just clocking my steps nets an average of 7,000 or so depending on how many trips I have to make across campus. I'd add to this by walking around the campus part way on my way to pick up lunch.
One tracking application I've used that was free and netted me some good results was this "Lose It" calorie counter. It too errored with higher calorie counts for some unlisted foods, but I figured that was fine. I liked how I could ride hard and eat more.
One day I managed to get to dinner with a 3,800 calorie surplus. Yeah, I was hungry.
Using it I was able to knock about 8 pounds off, through running and cycling and watching what I ate.
The thing it did for me was focus my attention on sustainable diet and exercise.
Overtime caused that to fade away. Now that I'm traveling I have to watch my diet as I don't have the same access to exercise as I do at home. Working long hours really cuts into my exercise plans.
The key take-away for me is staying out of restaurants, and buying salad makings at the grocery store. And getting in a few runs when I can.

Labor Day weekend I get to fly home so I should be able to get at least two rides in. They won’t be epic rides in distance or effort, but I will enjoy my rides and track them.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:34 AM   #25042
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What a load of tosh

Of course it's racing, they are racing against time and then posting the results - that's the key. If they weren't racing against others, why post their results

So, your logic, the IOM TT is not racing since, er, well, the riders don't actually race against each other but race against the clock.
You're not following the conversation, are you. Gummee (and some others) have made it perfectly clear by what they mean when they use the word 'racing'. They're referring to a sanctioned competition between multiple competitors on an established course according to certain established racing rules. That plainly has nothing to do with the sorts of things recorded on Strava, like climbing a hill 1/10 of a mile in length, or doing your fastest lap time around a course no more than 1.5 miles long. There are plenty of racers who use Strava and post these sorts of results, but I have yet to see a single one claiming they constitute 'race results'.

Your question, 'why post their results', only shows that you're unacquainted with Strava. When you upload a certain run that happens to coincide with any one of the millions of trail segments in Strava's database, it will automatically be entered on the leader board. Posting those results there is not a choice that I or anyone else makes; it's just the way Strava is set up to work. Does this occasionally give rise to some informal competition? Sure, just like I tend to push myself harder at the gym when I see someone else lifting more than I am, or ride a bit faster on the trail when someone passes me. That doesn't make it a race.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:15 AM   #25043
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You're not following the conversation, are you. Gummee (and some others) have made it perfectly clear by what they mean when they use the word 'racing'. They're referring to a sanctioned competition between multiple competitors on an established course according to certain established racing rules. That plainly has nothing to do with the sorts of things recorded on Strava, like climbing a hill 1/10 of a mile in length, or doing your fastest lap time around a course no more than 1.5 miles long. There are plenty of racers who use Strava and post these sorts of results, but I have yet to see a single one claiming they constitute 'race results'.

Your question, 'why post their results', only shows that you're unacquainted with Strava. When you upload a certain run that happens to coincide with any one of the millions of trail segments in Strava's database, it will automatically be entered on the leader board. Posting those results there is not a choice that I or anyone else makes; it's just the way Strava is set up to work. Does this occasionally give rise to some informal competition? Sure, just like I tend to push myself harder at the gym when I see someone else lifting more than I am, or ride a bit faster on the trail when someone passes me. That doesn't make it a race.
I guess you're missing MY point. People choose to use Strava - there's plenty other way to record your own personal performance. The users of Strava choose to use it and so they know they are indeed, willingly or otherwise, entering into a race.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:59 AM   #25044
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From this morning, I wish I had the ability to menuvar through obstacles like my quick and nimble riding partner.

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:27 AM   #25045
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from this morning, i wish i had the ability to menuvar through obstacles like my quick and nimble riding partner.


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Old 08-24-2012, 09:33 AM   #25046
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I'm thinkin' it'd be sorta weird to trade a motorcycle for a bicycle, but I'm getting really close. Would you do it?

This



for this



I just don't ride the Dakar anymore and our asking prices are pretty well in line.

The TrueFab is almost new, great components all around and it'll be ridden several times per week as opposed to the Dakar's almost never.

Wouldja? Or am I nuts?
I've done it the other way. Got a nice ATK out of the deal.

Barter is a good thing.

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:41 AM   #25047
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You're not following the conversation, are you. Gummee (and some others) have made it perfectly clear by what they mean when they use the word 'racing'. They're referring to a sanctioned competition between multiple competitors on an established course according to certain established racing rules. That plainly has nothing to do with the sorts of things recorded on Strava, like climbing a hill 1/10 of a mile in length, or doing your fastest lap time around a course no more than 1.5 miles long. There are plenty of racers who use Strava and post these sorts of results, but I have yet to see a single one claiming they constitute 'race results'.
Those are called Time Trials. You go as fast as you can for X distance. Shortest time wins. I'd say that's racing.

That big strava lawsuit over some dood that got killed trying to get a downhill 'KOM' is all about this very topic. Velo News had an article about it. In short: strava is acting like a race promoter by setting up segments that people try to beat. They take no responsibility for safety unlike a race promoter.

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Your question, 'why post their results', only shows that you're unacquainted with Strava. When you upload a certain run that happens to coincide with any one of the millions of trail segments in Strava's database, it will automatically be entered on the leader board. Posting those results there is not a choice that I or anyone else makes; it's just the way Strava is set up to work. Does this occasionally give rise to some informal competition? Sure, just like I tend to push myself harder at the gym when I see someone else lifting more than I am, or ride a bit faster on the trail when someone passes me. That doesn't make it a race.
...and I keep saying there's better ways to keep track of your numbers than stava. Privately. If you didn't want people to know how fast you're going, you'd use other software.

So I used to ride up the 101 in Sandy Eggo all the time. Used it for easy, flat rides (with lots of scenery). I had a neighbor that 'didn't race' that used to ride the same road(s) He'd brag all the time about how 'I dropped that guy... blah blah blah' I always humored him (gotta be on good terms with the neighbors) but always thought 'did that guy KNOW y'all were 'racing.' Its really easy to win a 1-horse race. '

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:05 AM   #25048
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From this morning, I wish I had the ability to menuvar through obstacles like my quick and nimble riding partner.



I share your choice in breed of dog

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:11 AM   #25049
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I could sit here and look at the Dakar 'till it sells (which, by the looks of things, could be years) or enjoy my new bicycle just about every day starting Saturday. The bicycle is winning at this point, but not a single one of my friends thinks it's a good idea so far. Then again, most are moto folk and not bicycle folk. Looks like you are moto/bicycle folk though and even you think I'm nuts. Maybe I sleeps on it again.
I've got a mountain bike that cost me more than a couple of the motorcycles I've owned. No regrets, as I've gotten many, many hours of fun out of that bicycle. I figure that at the end of the day, I'm not paying for a bicycle or motorcycle, but rather for the experiences that the bike or moto allows me to have.

If you didn't have the Dakar up for sale, would you consider paying cash for that bicycle? Or would you shop around for something less expensive?
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:55 AM   #25050
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I share your choice in breed of dog

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It's a harness EZYDOG.COM that I use to attach him to my 26" cruiser on the local bike path. Hook'em up and go.

No need to be hooked up in the woods but I put it on him regardless of use, whenever we do anything bike related, just for association. He looks like this every time I pull it out of the pantry.

You know the breed, an active Boxer is a happy Boxer both mentally and physically.

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