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Old 02-01-2013, 12:17 PM   #27091
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Did an hour and a half solo in the pissing rain as it got dark. Got completely soaked, covered in road grime from passing trucks and still arrived home with a smile on my face.

Hardest part of winter riding is the first pedal stroke, after that I'm good.

Managed 500 miles for January.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:57 PM   #27092
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Managed 500 miles for January.
Ya got me beat by 7.36mi on the month. (sorta. Didn't get my Edge 500 till the 10th)

Guess I shouldn't have slacked off those few days.



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Old 02-01-2013, 01:15 PM   #27093
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If you want FAST and can go down to a high volume 2.2, I've been very impressed with the Panaracer Driver 29Pro.
Thanks for the tip! I'll check those out.

And while you guys are talking about frame materials...

Is anyone here the lucky owner of one of these rare bikes -

Rhygin


Towards the tail end of their existence they were producing frames out of Columbus Metax tubing (stainless steel).
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:39 PM   #27094
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I -ed over those Rhygins Never knew anyone that had one tho.

You wanna talk about 'little known' Grove Innovations was it. I've seen one (1) of em. It was like this one (not the same paint job thank doG!) with a steel DT that was the width of the BB shell. You wanna talk STIFF!


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Old 02-01-2013, 01:44 PM   #27095
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Thanks for the tip! I'll check those out.

And while you guys are talking about frame materials...

Is anyone here the lucky owner of one of these rare bikes -

Rhygin


Towards the tail end of their existence they were producing frames out of Columbus Metax tubing (stainless steel).
I've got a Rhygin Stainless road bike. Bought it new in '98. That Rasta is a beauty. I've never seen another Rhygin in the wild.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:51 PM   #27096
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Ya got me beat by 7.36mi on the month. (sorta. Didn't get my Edge 500 till the 10th)

Guess I shouldn't have slacked off those few days.



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I'd imagine that you did more than 7 miles in ten days, so you got me beat, easily.

I'm thinking that a 10 000 km year is a good possibility for me. It'd be nice if it stopped raining sometime this year.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:54 PM   #27097
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I -ed over those Rhygins Never knew anyone that had one tho.

You wanna talk about 'little known' Grove Innovations was it. I've seen one (1) of em. It was like this one (not the same paint job thank doG!) with a steel DT that was the width of the BB shell. You wanna talk STIFF!


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I remember Grove! Mostly for that bar/stem combo. Never saw one in the flesh but those down tubes remind of the these -



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I've got a Rhygin Stainless road bike. Bought it new in '98. That Rasta is a beauty. I've never seen another Rhygin in the wild.
You bastid! Rhygins were/are on my bucket list of bikes to own (along with the original WTB Phoenix, an original Yo Eddy with the "Big 1 inch" fork, and a Sycip with those mitered stays). At the time those bikes were available, I was too damn poor to buy one.
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:01 PM   #27098
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When I worked for a framebuilder in PA we saw Grove frames and that Hammerhead bar/steam. Oversized, thinwall chrom-mo frames sound great. But really, they weren't as thin-walled as you'd think and they were plenty heavy. They were unique with that multi-shaped tube, though. There wasn't much in the way of shaped chro-mo back then. We weighed one for a customer and then I picked a Raleigh Peak (bonded aluminum) with XT (this was before XTR IIRC) on it and weighed it. And watched his face fall.

They were stiff and for those short, wicked steep climbs out east they were well suited. That yuppie-flage paint, not so much.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:47 PM   #27099
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Aluminum is about a third the stiffness of steel given the same section. And it weighs about a third as much as steel.

What that means is basically you need about the same weight of aluminum to get the stiffness of steel.

The proof in the final assembly is testing the, both. Weighing them only gives you a peak that maybe one is not as stiff as you may think.

Another property of aluminum is fatigue strength. It doesn't have much until you make the leap into the 70-series. Welding metals makes for all sorts of assumptions of what is going on.

Those old bonded aluminum French frames felt pretty whippy to my old racers legs back in the day. I stayed away.

The Cannondales are/were large diameter and said to be post-weld heat treated. They sure were stiff.

I think it was Lehigh or Pitt that built a bicycle torture rack that would flex the BB side to side to evaluate fatigue and try to correlate the analysis with this testing. As I recall it worked pretty well. This back before we had fancy NASTRAN to mesh structures.

It took me a long, long time to become comfortable enough with the manufacturing techniques and materials to break loose the money for a CF framed bike.
I love it as a road machine. It is comfortable yet a little stiff of ride. No perceptible sway when climbing, and light. My old steel hand made Italian steed feels like a sled in comparison and a wobbling, flexiflyer at that.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:16 PM   #27100
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I remember Grove! Mostly for that bar/stem combo. Never saw one in the flesh but those down tubes remind of the these -





You bastid! Rhygins were/are on my bucket list of bikes to own (along with the original WTB Phoenix, an original Yo Eddy with the "Big 1 inch" fork, and a Sycip with those mitered stays). At the time those bikes were available, I was too damn poor to buy one.
I LOVE EWR's, they made some sweet trials bikes also.

They are back by the way.

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Old 02-01-2013, 06:28 PM   #27101
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Here's a pic of my Rhygin. I've posted it a few times, but some of the pics are x's now...
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:06 AM   #27102
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The risk benefit analysis doesn't quite add up for me.


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Old 02-02-2013, 08:08 AM   #27103
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:43 AM   #27104
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the Vitus/Alan frames were the small tube outer diameter that was standard at the time; i always wondered what they'd feel like if they would have used larger diameter tubes of the same material weight. they did seem to be pretty popular with the Paris-Roubaix guys, and others that valued comfort over efficiency.

never heard that the Cannondales were post-weld heat-treated, but since they were basically copies of what Gary Klein originated, i suppose it's possible. (aside from the fact that i didn't like a marketing company that started out blatantly making what looked like copies of someone elses stuff, i saw far too many Cannondales fail to ever want to try one.)
Klein was building out of 6061 that was T6 heat-treated post welding, and i remember him telling me about some of the experiences that went into figuring out how to get frames out of the heat-treating oven that were still straight. made for a stiff, light frame, and the fact that there are still so many around is a testament to how overbuilt even those early frames were. (i have a semi-custom Klein that i built thinking it was going to be a 'disposable' performance tool. it suffered through my learning Trials as well as lots of really stupid trail time, and it's still cruising along nicely.)

as for CF; it's changed a lot since i took the risk on a semi-custom Kestrel (back when they were made locally), but that bike is also still plying the trails. also bought with the idea that it was going to be disposable,... it's proven to be anything but so far (and although i'm fairly smooth, i'm no featherweight).

the old Columbus SP Pinarello of mine had a beautiful feel to it; stable, compliant, a springiness that felt like whatever it gave up on a power stroke could be gotten back further along in the stroke,... the modern Dedacciai 'Lees-than-Zero' steel Land Shark with its thin walls and shaped tubes that i've got now is better in all ways (but has a different geometry that's a little more aggressive and not as 'disappearing' underneath you). i tried a few different brands of CF forks on the Shark until i ended up settling back with the one that the builder had recommended originally, and found a big difference in the way they made the bike handle surface irregularities.

i often wonder what the Land Shark would feel like if i'd had it built with the same materials, but with the exact geometry of the Pinarello,...


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Those old bonded aluminum French frames felt pretty whippy to my old racers legs back in the day. I stayed away.

The Cannondales are/were large diameter and said to be post-weld heat treated. They sure were stiff.

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It took me a long, long time to become comfortable enough with the manufacturing techniques and materials to break loose the money for a CF framed bike.
I love it as a road machine. It is comfortable yet a little stiff of ride. No perceptible sway when climbing, and light. My old steel hand made Italian steed feels like a sled in comparison and a wobbling, flexiflyer at that.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:05 PM   #27105
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Now that was quite the race!

If you didn't see it live, I'm sure it'll be uploaded somewhere.

Me? I went and did 2.5hrs zone 1-2 in upper 20s on the Crosshairs with 28c Gatorskins on. I have GOT to get my saddle position the same between that bike and the FTB ASAP!

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