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Old 04-03-2013, 08:55 AM   #27991
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Most of the local trails are no longer than 3 miles. Looking at Strava results, I've noticed that mtb racers in my area can maintain their top speeds for much longer distances, whereas I begin to experience serious fatigue after only 1.5 miles.

I want to increase my endurance so that I can go flat out for at least 3 miles on mtb trails.
Your answer is your answer.

If you know you need to hold speed for 3mi, then your intervals need to be at least 3mi. JRA won't make you significantly faster. You can do that off-road, or you can do that on-road. Don't matter as long as you do the efforts.

One HUGE up side to riding road is that it doesn't beat you (or the bike) up. You can ride every day without having to fix either you or the bike.

Now, we're getting into the differences between riding and training.

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Old 04-03-2013, 09:18 AM   #27992
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Your answer is your answer.

If you know you need to hold speed for 3mi, then your intervals need to be at least 3mi. JRA won't make you significantly faster. You can do that off-road, or you can do that on-road. Don't matter as long as you do the efforts.

One HUGE up side to riding road is that it doesn't beat you (or the bike) up. You can ride every day without having to fix either you or the bike.
My thoughts exactly. I've been doing 10 laps at the local mtb trail, but afterward I feel pretty beaten up. Riding my road bike on paved trails also allows me to focus all my attention on technique (pedaling, breathing, etc.) rather than trying to avoid hitting trees or running off the trail.

So if you're training for endurance, do you pedal as hard as you can from start to finish, or is it better to maintain a more even pace and save some energy for the end?
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:43 AM   #27993
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My thoughts exactly. I've been doing 10 laps at the local mtb trail, but afterward I feel pretty beaten up. Riding my road bike on paved trails also allows me to focus all my attention on technique (pedaling, breathing, etc.) rather than trying to avoid hitting trees or running off the trail.

So if you're training for endurance, do you pedal as hard as you can from start to finish, or is it better to maintain a more even pace and save some energy for the end?
You, my friend, need to read up on exercise theory. It pretty much applies to all sports where both endurance and speed are needed. (Running, swimming, bicycling [road, cross, MTB, etc], and a myriad of others.)

Chisenhallw is on the right track. You have to do both. Intervals give you power if done right, but do not do much for endurance (note: I did not say they do nothing for endurance). For endurance, you have to train your heart and lungs. For endurance you go at longer distances in the aerobic zone of your body's metabolism. Intervals you are maxing yourself out pretty much.

A good observation from many trainers: Most people do their slow runs too fast, and their fast runs too slow.

Gummee! is also absolutely right, now we are talking about training to be able to ride better, and not just riding around.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:57 AM   #27994
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Gummee! is also absolutely right, now we are talking about training to be able to ride better, and not just riding around.


Intervals suck. Sprints, while more fun, suck. Training hurts. That's why people don't do it.

My best recommendation is Joe Friel's book(s) and develop a training plan based on what you want to accomplish. I've used his book as a basis of my training plans for years now.

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Old 04-03-2013, 11:18 AM   #27995
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:51 AM   #27996
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Intervals suck. Sprints, while more fun, suck. Training hurts. That's why people don't do it.

My best recommendation is Joe Friel's book(s) and develop a training plan based on what you want to accomplish. I've used his book as a basis of my training plans for years now.

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If you're in this sport because you don't like pain, I suggest you take up basket weaving. Sprints & intervals are roughly the same thing, right?
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:53 AM   #27997
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Sprints & intervals are roughly the same thing, right?
Please tell me you're kidding with that.

Please?!

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Old 04-03-2013, 11:56 AM   #27998
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No.

I know what intervals are - what are sprints, to you?
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:57 AM   #27999
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Intervals suck. Sprints, while more fun, suck. Training hurts. That's why people don't do it.
People are prepared to tolerate a lot of pain if it lasts only a short while, especially when they're rewarded with a soothing endorphin rush afterward. What I really dread is long, grueling exercises, where I'm fighting boredom as well as physical exhaustion.

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Old 04-03-2013, 12:00 PM   #28000
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No.

I know what intervals are - what are sprints, to you?
Intervals = long (depending on how you define the word) efforts typically over LT

Sprints = short, max effort periods typically done to win a race. See this AM's Schelderprijs. May come at the end of an interval-type effort depending on the sprint.


Note: she sprints like a girl. Watch Cavendish or look up Abdujaparov for more examples.

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Old 04-03-2013, 12:13 PM   #28001
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I watched that 3 times, & couldn't spot the sprint.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:39 PM   #28002
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Once, I went to a running clinic. Featured at this clinic was the Nigerian Olympic track team. They looked like a pack of human cheetahs.
When was this?

We got a couple of medals some time back in track and field events.

Last Olympics nothing but we netted >1 gold in the Paralympics.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:46 PM   #28003
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Intervals = long (depending on how you define the word) efforts typically over LT

Sprints = short, max effort periods typically done to win a race. See this AM's Schelderprijs. May come at the end of an interval-type effort depending on the sprint.


Note: she sprints like a girl. Watch Cavendish or look up Abdujaparov for more examples.

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Here's Tyler Farar"s sprint training,It doesn't look hard,He's sprinting pass a moto doing 76Kph . also take note when he's finished with the sprint he's resting,not pedeling,just recovering,he may recover from 5-6min after the sprint, or whatever it takes to have his HR come down to well below his Theshhold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVkpK...ture=endscreen
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:56 PM   #28004
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Chisenhallw is on the right track. You have to do both. Intervals give you power if done right, but do not do much for endurance (note: I did not say they do nothing for endurance). For endurance, you have to train your heart and lungs. For endurance you go at longer distances in the aerobic zone of your body's metabolism. Intervals you are maxing yourself out pretty much.

A good observation from many trainers: Most people do their slow runs too fast, and their fast runs too slow.

Gummee! is also absolutely right, now we are talking about training to be able to ride better, and not just riding around.
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:08 PM   #28005
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Intervals = long (depending on how you define the word) efforts typically over LT

Sprints = short, max effort periods typically done to win a race. See this AM's Schelderprijs. May come at the end of an interval-type effort depending on the sprint.


Allow me to retort.

>Sprints & intervals are roughly the same thing
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