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Old 04-24-2013, 05:19 PM   #28231
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So day 3 of the migraine means I skipped riding today. Just about the time I was thinking of heading out I hit a wall.

Didn't think pushing on top of not sleeping on top of a headache from hell was the smart thing to do. I rode over to the MC dealer with my little brother. He bought hisself a CRF150F to play around on and it needed TLC. AKA carb rebuild parts, and 2 new tires.

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Old 04-24-2013, 05:41 PM   #28232
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Ok, but if brad whidden got his time in a 20mph headwind, and you got yours with a 5mph tailwind, not only would you not know, but you might get an inflated sense of your own abilities.
Well, I suppose congratulations are in order for at least offering a seemingly plausible objection. Most of the criticisms of Strava I've heard are so breathtakingly ignorant that it's hard to know whether to take them seriously.

So, what's wrong with what you've suggested? At least three things. First, the trail in question is in the middle of a wooded area, surrounded by tall trees. There is no wind out there. Second, someone looking to set a personal record obvious isn't going to attempt it while he's facing a strong headwind. He'll wait until conditions are right so that the results will accurately reflect his performance. Third, you fail to consider the fact that these record runs represent each rider's BEST results, not their ONLY results. If you look at the dates when these records were set, you'll see that most of them were set months ago, with mine being the only recent one. That suggests that these older runs are the very best of multiple tries at a personal record, not a one time only attempt.

So while your objection does have some initial plausibility, there are no sound reasons to think it represents reality, and several reasons to think it doesn't.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:46 PM   #28233
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Edit: I retract my statement, enjoy yourself.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:59 PM   #28234
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I've ridden hills that don't exist and still lose my KOM!

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Does strava keep track of facecicles?



I need to make sure I have the best facecicles on a given ride.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:00 PM   #28235
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From a strictly scientific sort of perspective, racing would be the best way to gauge relative performance. If all riders are experiencing the same environmental variables, then all of the variables are controlled for. Then you can get down to comparing rider and bike performance as you've eliminated about as many variables as possible.
This is mistaken for many reasons. For starters, it's far from clear how you're using the word 'performance'. When I say 'performance', I mean the shortest time in which someone can ride from point A to point B. Without being held up by other riders. Without crashing. Without equipment failures. That plainly isn't possible in a race, which makes it all the more puzzling that you describe it as an event in which "you've eliminated about as many variables as possible". A moment's reflection should tell you that precisely the opposite is true.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:07 PM   #28236
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Well, looks like you've thought about it quite a bit more than I have. Unique perspective indeed.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:12 PM   #28237
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Substitute wind for mud, sand, trail re-route, debris on trail, satellite blockages and errors, erosion, etc.
Did you think we were talking about a dirt trail? Your assumptions couldn't be further off the mark.

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And I'm not objecting to anything. Your reasoning seems, for lack of a better word, unique.
The word you're looking for is 'unassailable'.

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How you participate in cycling is up to you. Also, I'm guessing many out there aren't looking to set Strava 'records' with as much determination as you are.
That 'guess' would at best be a wild guess.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:18 PM   #28238
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I try to be polite, but damn you come off as a pompous assbag. Enjoy that $10k specialized and your KOMs, Joey.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:55 PM   #28239
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I try to be polite, but damn you come off as a pompous assbag. Enjoy that $10k specialized and your KOMs, Joey.
Aurelius is the offspring of forbidden love between a Conehead and a Vulcan. Dont take it personally, he is just being logical.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:24 PM   #28240
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I try to be polite, but damn you come off as a pompous assbag. Enjoy that $10k specialized and your KOMs, Joey.

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Old 04-25-2013, 04:26 AM   #28241
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Dont take it personally, he is just being logical.
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:46 AM   #28242
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I try to be polite, but damn you come off as a pompous assbag. Enjoy that $10k specialized and your KOMs, Joey.
And to think that you'd gotten off to such a good start by posting the first seemingly rational criticism of Strava. Looks like you need to work on your endurance.
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:49 AM   #28243
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Stinky bait is stinky. Can we go back to talking about bicycles and cycling now?
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:27 AM   #28244
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Just wanted to point out that as regards visibility, a recent study stated that it was the narrow width of bikes/ cyclists/ motorcyclists that caused the cage drivers to "not see" them, not the height. This would render the whole "i'm lower so they can't see me" argument moot. They can't see you period.

The study noted that if, however, there was something unusual (a recumbent (not your everyday sight,) or a motorcyclist standing on the pegs, etc) then the motorists were "forced" to see them as their eyes would literally look directly at the subject and focus, versus just sweep over.
I read a study recently about idiot cagers ramming into parked police cars, you know, when they've pulled over someone or are stopped to help a motorist and some dumbfuck rams into the parked cop car with lights blazing, out of the travel lane, etc. This happens all too regularly here in Virginia; I saw one story where a driver smashed over/through a police car and hit the tractor-trailer rig he'd pulled over. WTF?!?!?!? Apparently the on-coming motorist sees all the blazing lights, fixates on them, and plows into the ass end because they think the car is moving in the same direction (or some such thing ). So, the police decided that if they park their cars at an angle to traffic so that it looks out of place or unusual in the rest of the traffic stream, this will help.

I don't know if they've come to any conclusion yet, but I have: The vast majority of people driving cars are fooking idiots who are paying attention to anything and everything EXCEPT actually driving their damned car safely. It apparently doesn't matter to a large portion of the motoring public what you wear/drive/ride, how big or small you are, whether you are emblazoned with visually toxic colors, waving flags or brilliant flashing lights, you just don't exist to these idiots. I really don't know of anything you can do except ride "paranoid aggressive" - watch like a hawk, keep your radar on constantly, be prepared to take aggressive action to protect yourself (i.e. get out of the way - they don't see you!). I do this on my bike, on my motorcycles, and in my car or truck. So far, so good but I will not relax my vigil for a second.

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Glorious and gorgeous! But dude, you need to farkle that thing, it's lookin' a bit nekkid.

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Old 04-25-2013, 05:53 AM   #28245
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I always wondered my the cops around here pulled off the road diagonally, it makes sense now. Beautiful hard tail, is it steel?
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