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Old 05-13-2013, 09:01 AM   #28696
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Long descents and rain? I would recommend discs.
Me too actually. Certainly NOT carbon clinchers.

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Old 05-13-2013, 09:09 AM   #28697
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Me too actually. Certainly NOT carbon clinchers.

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(and yes, I know you're being sarcastic)
Did you think I was referring to wheels and not brakes? Oops. The fatality and other bad crashes of the century ride a week ago had me thinking DISC BRAKES might have saved the day.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:16 AM   #28698
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Long descents and rain? I would recommend discs.
Yeah, definitely. The Volagi is really interesting to me. They're made in Santa Rosa, about a half hour from my house. I saw a guy riding one on the Grizzly Peak Century last week and he was talking about how he just loves it. He says that he can sail up to a corner and brake with greater finesse, which I thought was interesting. The seat stays on that bike are pretty spectacular, too. He had an earlier model, but was going to trade up for one of the new ones, just moving all his running gear over to the new frame.

It's kind of late in the season for me to swap bikes, given that I'm two months from the Death Ride, but I think a disc brake equipped bike, built more for endurance riding than racing, is going to be in my future. I love my Colnago Ace, don't get me wrong, but I feel like it's kind of like Triumph at the end of the 60s. Great stuff, but something big is going to change here really quickly. Maybe not next year, but likely the year after I'll be looking at a new bike. My decision will be whether to go with another CF bike or look at a custom fab titanium frame like a Seven, Strong or Moots. A guy on my team has a CF/Ti Seven and it's absolutely artwork. On the GPC, I saw a CF/Ti frame that had a latticework Ti toptube with a CF tube inserted inside of it. OMFG.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:17 AM   #28699
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Did you think I was referring to wheels and not brakes? Oops. The fatality and other bad crashes of the century ride a week ago had me thinking DISC BRAKES might have saved the day.
I've never felt like I had one whit of excess braking capacity, whether I was using the dual pivot Ultegras on my Trek or the Colnago double pivots on my Ace.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:18 AM   #28700
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Did you think I was referring to wheels and not brakes? Oops. The fatality and other bad crashes of the century ride a week ago had me thinking DISC BRAKES might have saved the day.
Carbon rims are notoriously bad for braking in wet weather. Carbon clinchers used to essplode on long downhills. Manf got the resin thing right and they don't seem to do that as much any more

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Old 05-13-2013, 09:19 AM   #28701
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SRAM & Campy

I have taken the wheelset off the pistola and put them on the Roubaix. The wheelset is built on campy record hubs with a 10 speed cassette. The roubaix is SRAM apex. I noticed the drivetrain makes more noise now. I put the bike on the park stand and adjusted the rear derailleur in attempt to quiet things down. Still makes more noise than it did sram on sram. So my question is this -

Maybe get a new wipperman chain , hoping to quiet things down ?
Get the adapter to allow me to run sram cassette on this wheelset ?


anybody got experience with this ?
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:25 AM   #28702
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:27 AM   #28703
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Carbon rims are notoriously bad for braking in wet weather. Carbon clinchers used to essplode on long downhills. Manf got the resin thing right and they don't seem to do that as much any more

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On last year's Levi Leipheimer Gran Fondo, I watched a guy's rear wheel explode on the Myer's Grade descent. It was his rear, which then jammed in the seat stays and sent him off the road. He was probably rolling on the far side of 40mph on that thing.

His comment when we pulled him out of the wild rose bush: "This is the third year in a row I've crashed out!"



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Old 05-13-2013, 09:28 AM   #28704
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I had a green Fastback, exactly like that one in the picture.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:30 AM   #28705
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I had a green Fastback, exactly like that one in the picture.
My parents thought the design was too dangerous - instead, I got a 10-speed called a "Londoneer". Within a few months, I was spotted in the next county over... 25 + miles away. I was maybe 12-13 years old.

Yep, I started cycling at a young age.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:34 AM   #28706
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Carbon rims are notoriously bad for braking in wet weather. Carbon clinchers used to essplode on long downhills. Manf got the resin thing right and they don't seem to do that as much any more

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By 'carbon rims', do you mean the kind without the metal braking strip on the edge? I test rode a Cervello S5 a few weeks ago that had those. Almost had a heart attack when I tried to use them for the first time at a busy intersection. I don't understand how they can legally sell these to customers.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:36 AM   #28707
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I have taken the wheelset off the pistola and put them on the Roubaix. The wheelset is built on campy record hubs with a 10 speed cassette. The roubaix is SRAM apex. I noticed the drivetrain makes more noise now. I put the bike on the park stand and adjusted the rear derailleur in attempt to quiet things down. Still makes more noise than it did sram on sram. So my question is this -

Maybe get a new wipperman chain , hoping to quiet things down ?
Get the adapter to allow me to run sram cassette on this wheelset ?


anybody got experience with this ?
The spacing between the gears is slightly different Campag vs SRAM/Shimano. If you want quiet, you'll need Campag shifters and rear derailleur.

Try American Classic for cassettes. I know they do a Shimano to Campag spaced cassette but IDK if they go the other way

Alternatively, I *think* Miche still has separate cogs. You may be able to sand down the spacers to get the spacing right. You'd have to do some digging on that one.

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Old 05-13-2013, 09:36 AM   #28708
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By 'carbon rims', do you mean the kind without the metal braking strip on the edge? I test rode a Cervello S5 a few weeks ago that had those. Almost had a heart attack when I tried to use them for the first time at a busy intersection. I don't understand how they can legally sell these to customers.
You get used to it.

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Old 05-13-2013, 09:38 AM   #28709
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Another icon from my youth, gone.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:42 AM   #28710
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Yeah, definitely. The Volagi is really interesting to me. They're made in Santa Rosa, about a half hour from my house. I saw a guy riding one on the Grizzly Peak Century last week and he was talking about how he just loves it. He says that he can sail up to a corner and brake with greater finesse, which I thought was interesting. The seat stays on that bike are pretty spectacular, too. He had an earlier model, but was going to trade up for one of the new ones, just moving all his running gear over to the new frame.

It's kind of late in the season for me to swap bikes, given that I'm two months from the Death Ride, but I think a disc brake equipped bike, built more for endurance riding than racing, is going to be in my future. I love my Colnago Ace, don't get me wrong, but I feel like it's kind of like Triumph at the end of the 60s. Great stuff, but something big is going to change here really quickly. Maybe not next year, but likely the year after I'll be looking at a new bike. My decision will be whether to go with another CF bike or look at a custom fab titanium frame like a Seven, Strong or Moots. A guy on my team has a CF/Ti Seven and it's absolutely artwork. On the GPC, I saw a CF/Ti frame that had a latticework Ti toptube with a CF tube inserted inside of it. OMFG.
Get something the same size as what you're running now and x-fer over the dimensions of what you have. Easy peasy. I swap between 3 different bikes all the time. Contact points at the saddle are essentially the same but the bar height changes between bikes. FTB being highest. TCR is the lowest.

Oh, and if you surf on over to Velocipede Salon, there's a bitchen 'Dean' made by Crumpton that I'd LOVE to have if I had the $

I like the fact that Volagi rubbed Specialized's nose in the dirt with their new line. Not that I have anything major against the big S, but they get kinda heavy-handed with lawsuits and shit.

Something closer to home: Holland exogrid

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