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Old 05-17-2013, 11:13 AM   #28711
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These guys seem to be trying way too hard to be badass,
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/

Funny though.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:53 AM   #28712
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These guys seem to be trying way too hard to be badass,
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/

Funny though.
I enjoyed some of those....very funny!

In reference to Rule #9, I've been called many thing. "Too stupid to come in out of the rain" comes to mind. Now, I find out that I'm "badass". Who knew?

Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Fair-weather riding is a luxury reserved for Sunday afternoons and wide boulevards. Those who ride in foul weather – be it cold, wet, or inordinately hot – are members of a special club of riders who, on the morning of a big ride, pull back the curtain to check the weather and, upon seeing rain falling from the skies, allow a wry smile to spread across their face. This is a rider who loves the work.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:47 PM   #28713
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These guys seem to be trying way too hard to be badass,
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/

Funny though.
The rules have been around for years.

The only one I really care about is #5. We'll shout "HTFU" if one of us starts to snivel on a ride.

In the same vein, shouting, "Shut UP, legs!" is a great way to get a group laughing during a rough patch, assuming they know who Jens is. And they should, dammit.

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Old 05-17-2013, 01:06 PM   #28714
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I've ridden in rain, hail, wind and snow. Yep, pretty much too stupid. Ridden in the wind, and even seen funnel clouds and motorhomes flying by.
Stupid. I didn't die and got stronger as a rider so I count it as a win.

I'm old enough now, I ignore most rules. Be they for sport and civility. I think there is a point where it is OK to finally not give a damn. I wear what is comfortable and if I think I'll be needing a lot of water, I carry it in a pack. Don't care what anybody thinks. They can go fucking thirsty. I prefer comfort. I am willing to make my legs sore, but, am no longer willing to put up with shaving. hell, I don't even shave my face on weekends, or vacation.
Once upon a time I entertained the notion that I could thrive only on a bike. A bicycle. I've found over time and moves I can't.
But, it is still a dream, an ideal.

Eddy was badass. Older and heavier as are most of us, I met him once during a stage race in Colorado. We talked a little as we could. He asked if the motorcycle I was on could wheelie, and was it fast. I answered with a wheelie and no it was not fast. Faster than a bicycle, faster than the earlier models, but not fast by racing standards. he was on a bicycle with just a couple of others. I only ever saw him race as have many this side of the pond on film, "The Stars and the Water Carriers", or "The Hell of The North".

Hinault was a badass too. I met him when he was still racing. He had that Eddy Lawson stare that seemed to turn anybody he looked at to stone.

Price of the bike has little to do with how badass the riders are. One year we met the Russian team. They had almost no kit with them, and what they did have was a mix and match. They were hard men though. Fit and tough. Funny guys too.

Anyway, back to rules. I look at rules as things to be broken. Unless breaking a rule would be a safety issue. As we all know, "Safety Third".

And above all nothing is that serious. You want to ride a wheelie on a $20K CF roadie. Fine by me. As long as it isn't mine.

Mountain bike on big goofy wheels? Fine. I still have 26 inch tires to wear out. I am cheap, and would ride a KLR if they weren't Kawasakis.

Bottom line: I'm going for ride tomorrow. Strava and a few others may record the event, route and document just about how slowly one old man can accomplish that. Screw the KOM, it's a ride not a race. As long as I'm still moving under my own power I am KOM!
Then I'll clean some on the house, and prep the motorcycle for my last stint in the desert. Again another stupid idea it's nearly 100 every damned day here. That helmet is going to smell like goats used it for a toilet, then set it to fester in that desert sun.

..'cause me and Eddy? well, you know we're badass.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:53 PM   #28715
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Old racers are allowed to break the rules 'cause they've already proven what a badass they are/were.

The ones that haven't proven what a badass they are, have to follow the rules.

Speaking of old riders... I saw a dood today on my ride in a Bell V-1! :eek IIRC his bike had exposed brake cables, so the combo fits.

4.5hrs of mixed surfaces. Probably 60/40 gravel. Ugh. Man are my legs beat!

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edited to add: No WONDER my legs are tired. 7000ish feet of climbing on this route.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:33 PM   #28716
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I'll be looking at smaller, good quality companies to supply a line of in stock family bikes.
The Mom & Pop LBS around the corner from me carries Redline & the other brands from SBS...

http://www.seattlebikesupply.com/
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:23 PM   #28717
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When ever I've encountered chip seal, (cured) it always takes me back to a ride we did from downtown Denver north along Riverdale road out toward Fort Collins. i forget most of that ride other than there was a point along a frontage road on the East side of I-25 where the pavement had been removed. We hit that gravel at about the same time the sky opened up. This was not the usual afternoon shower, this was mid-morning on a Saturday. We rode 30 miles of washboard roadbase gravel finally hitting pavement when we turned west. We stopped at a cafe and asked if we could use the hose. Then were able to negotiate them bringing food out to the picnic table outside so we would not make a huge mess of their small place. That waitress got a good tip. The locals were entertained by a half dozen guys hosing themselves off, nearly completely covered in mud.
That was our version of Paris Roubaix. Chip/seal always reminds me of that and how great it feels when you hit the smooth stuff again.

The worst road I've ever ridden was the concrete plates between Sedalia and the Springs No idea what the road was now. Man the joints there beat your sore to the touch legs to death. Our wrists felt like they were shattered. rather than ride that ugly road back we tried the East side of I-25, only to be beaten by Castlerock by wind and snow, and a big nasty cold front out of the northwest.
The only one of our wives who happened to be home was the one furthest from us. We had a long cold wait outside that truckstop. I used up the two emergency twenties I carried in my tiresock that day feeding our sorry selves. When we had set off early that morning we had been assured of clear sailing and mild winter weather. Snow beginning as slush turning to sleet/ice/snow lashed by the wind and passing cars and big trucks nearly froze us.
That was back when a hundred miles wasn't far enough to feel like work. We began breaking our rules of no riding unless it was above freezing. That was modified to above 20, and was massively and comically violated at -20F. No body parts were lost but we were bruised from a full team ice-flip onto our collective backs as we turned around at the Buckley gate. At least the guards got a good chuckle.
Taught me the carbon fiber sole of my cycling shoes worked about as well on ice as dull skate blades.
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:10 PM   #28718
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When ever I've encountered chip seal, (cured) it always takes me back to a ride we did from downtown Denver north along Riverdale road out toward Fort Collins. i forget most of that ride other than there was a point along a frontage road on the East side of I-25 where the pavement had been removed. We hit that gravel at about the same time the sky opened up. This was not the usual afternoon shower, this was mid-morning on a Saturday. We rode 30 miles of washboard roadbase gravel finally hitting pavement when we turned west. We stopped at a cafe and asked if we could use the hose. Then were able to negotiate them bringing food out to the picnic table outside so we would not make a huge mess of their small place. That waitress got a good tip. The locals were entertained by a half dozen guys hosing themselves off, nearly completely covered in mud.
That was our version of Paris Roubaix. Chip/seal always reminds me of that and how great it feels when you hit the smooth stuff again.

The worst road I've ever ridden was the concrete plates between Sedalia and the Springs No idea what the road was now. Man the joints there beat your sore to the touch legs to death. Our wrists felt like they were shattered. rather than ride that ugly road back we tried the East side of I-25, only to be beaten by Castlerock by wind and snow, and a big nasty cold front out of the northwest.
The only one of our wives who happened to be home was the one furthest from us. We had a long cold wait outside that truckstop. I used up the two emergency twenties I carried in my tiresock that day feeding our sorry selves. When we had set off early that morning we had been assured of clear sailing and mild winter weather. Snow beginning as slush turning to sleet/ice/snow lashed by the wind and passing cars and big trucks nearly froze us.
That was back when a hundred miles wasn't far enough to feel like work. We began breaking our rules of no riding unless it was above freezing. That was modified to above 20, and was massively and comically violated at -20F. No body parts were lost but we were bruised from a full team ice-flip onto our collective backs as we turned around at the Buckley gate. At least the guards got a good chuckle.
Taught me the carbon fiber sole of my cycling shoes worked about as well on ice as dull skate blades.
I don't have either an upper or lower limit to the temps I'll ride in. ...as long as it isn't icy/snowy, I'm game. ...and even when its snowy, if I'm caught out in it, I'll still keep going. We started one ride this winter at 19deg F. The bridge of my nose froze till I got warmed up!

Drivers around here suck badly enough that riding right after a snowstorm is a risky proposition, so see above for icy/snowy. I'll usually *gasp!* ride a trainer instead. Rode zero trainer days last winter and 2 this winter. Can you tell I HATE trainers?!

All goes back to 'no such thing as bad weather, just inadequate gear.'

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Old 05-17-2013, 07:00 PM   #28719
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I read the link really quickly and thought "Cyclopedia of Fredding, that sounds like an awesome shop."

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Old 05-17-2013, 10:18 PM   #28720
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The rules have been around for years.

The only one I really care about is #5. We'll shout "HTFU" if one of us starts to snivel on a ride.

In the same vein, shouting, "Shut UP, legs!" is a great way to get a group laughing during a rough patch, assuming they know who Jens is. And they should, dammit.

I bought some black silicone wristbands that have Harden The Fuck Up embossed in them and handed them out to my team.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:22 PM   #28721
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Chip/seal always reminds me of that and how great it feels when you hit the smooth stuff again.
It's pretty much what we ride on out here on the small roads.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:48 AM   #28722
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It's pretty much what we ride on out here on the small roads.
do you run 28's on your training rides in the marin, sonoma back roads? I would.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:38 AM   #28723
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punk sounds like an example of why sometimes it's best to fire a customer.

i expect to pay a fair price for what i receive.
shops have done me many favors that are more valuable than the few bucks i might have milked out of them on discounts (for example, squeezing a quick fix into their sked, or ordering something for me on just a phone call), usually because i've earned 'Friend of Shop' status by not insisting on being first in line in front of others, or by helping a noob find something onthe shelves when the shop staff was swamped. in general, i try to be the kind of customer that i would want.
be a dickbag? expect to be treated/charged like one.

only shop advice i've seen here that hasn't already been mentioned in some of the other good advice might be to see if you can find a way to make space for a couch to go with that coffeemaker (if building a Shop Culture is the sort of thing you want). while the people who spend the most time there might not be the ones spending the most money, they're likely to be the ones who will spread the word about how Cool your shop is.

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Regarding people milking deals, BTDT. We used to have some punk come in with brand new everything (~$75k in/on his truck alone, easily) looking for hand outs all the time. Kid had a real attitude on him as well, he was daddy's (business owner) boy, and what he said went. My bosses had made the mistake of giving him a discount on a big order, and just like you and Aurelius said, he came to expect it. At the time our business was struggling in the recession, and this dick would come into an empty store with an attitude, swinging dad's cash around. When I worked with him he may* have recieved the dickbag price tax I assigned certain buyers. I'll have to check into that though? Happy to say 99% of the people I've worked with are good, honest people who expect to pay a little more for quality and service.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:42 AM   #28724
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pfft.

rules?
1. Ride.
2. ride where/when/what you like. like where/when/what you ride.
3. have your own rules; nobody elses matter.


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These guys seem to be trying way too hard to be badass,
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/

Funny though.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:17 AM   #28725
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i've settled on 25s on my go-fast bike for most of the crappy roads around here (that happen to be the places i most like to ride), though it's as much because of my being "GS size", it makes sense to run a slightly larger tire as anything else.
25s might spin up a tad less quickly than 23s because of the rotating weight, but i can't say i notice a huge difference in rolling resistance. upside is they feel a bit cushier, and allow me to worry a little bit less about slamming the rims when ripping a heavily-textured descent.
i'm not unhappy with (high-quality) 23s and still have them for smoother situations, but 28s aren't an option as they wouldn't be able to fit in the CF fork.
on some bikes i've mixed slightly larger tires on the rear, but the current go-fast bike has crisp-enough geometry that i don't like the way it handles when the tires aren't a matched size.

the bikes i use for everything but go-fast generally don't wear anything smaller than 32s or larger. (the townie-fixie wears 42s; the lock-it-up-for-errands bike wears 1.95 'dual-sport-ish' tread.)


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do you run 28's on your training rides in the marin, sonoma back roads? I would.
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