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Old 05-14-2013, 12:29 PM   #28741
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PS: I did get to "enjoy" biopace on my first mtb. Not the same thing at all.
My first mtn bike had bio-pace on it too. Outer 2 rings felt weird. Inner worked for me.

@Aurelius: try em. You may like em, you may not.

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Old 05-14-2013, 12:38 PM   #28742
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My first mtn bike had bio-pace on it too. Outer 2 rings felt weird. Inner worked for me.

@Aurelius: try em. You may like em, you may not.

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My 'pedaling in a circle' technique falls apart when my legs get very tired. I'm hoping these Q-Rings can fix that.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:45 PM   #28743
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My 'pedaling in a circle' technique falls apart when my legs get very tired. I'm hoping these Q-Rings can fix that.
Even the pros pedal squares when they're tired. Nothing mechanical is going to fix something biological.

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Old 05-14-2013, 01:12 PM   #28744
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:30 PM   #28745
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My 'pedaling in a circle' technique falls apart when my legs get very tired. I'm hoping these Q-Rings can fix that.
If you spent half the time on your bike as you do ordering shit for it...
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:16 PM   #28746
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My first mtn bike had bio-pace on it too. Outer 2 rings felt weird. Inner worked for me.

@Aurelius: try em. You may like em, you may not.

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What I remember was trying to get restarted on a slope with a 24t biopace ring driving a 30t cog - was how all your effort seemed to be wasted as you got the crankarm near vertical. Like pushing hard on something that moves way too easy. When I did get moving, the surge in effort seemed to be exactly opposite what I wanted - giving way when I could put in more power. I could feel the surges in mid range in the same way, but since I wasn't putting out as much power then...... Couldn't tell in high ring.

RotoRs, even adjusted away from the sweet spot, do not give that effect.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:38 PM   #28747
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If you spent half the time on your bike as you do ordering shit for it...
Don't forget telling us all about it....
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:41 AM   #28748
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If you spent half the time on your bike as you do ordering shit for it...
The air must be very thin where you live. Aside from the pedals which it didn't come with, the bike is bone stock.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:35 AM   #28749
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Yeah, we have some mountains here. Just busting balls, you're making some bike shop's year(s). At least you're supporting the industry!

Does anyone have experience in starting/owning a bike shop, or know of anyone who's done it? I've only read the negatives, and how hard it really is to succeed with one. I'm moving to a small, artsy and health-conscious town up North that could really use a bike shop... an area packed full of outdoorsy types, with epic MTB trails all around. Little voice in my head is saying 'there's a reason there isn't a bike shop in town'. I have a business admin degree, sales experience and lots of experience with how a small business runs day to day. I'd desire to simply make a living doing something I care about, which is, getting people on bikes. Not looking to get rich and am under no illusion this will be a remotely easy task either. Any good reading on the topic?
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:40 AM   #28750
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Yeah, we have some mountains here. Just busting balls, you're making some bike shop's year(s). At least you're supporting the industry!

Does anyone have experience in starting/owning a bike shop, or know of anyone who's done it? I've only read the negatives, and how hard it really is to succeed with one. I'm moving to a small, artsy and health-conscious town up North that could really use a bike shop... an area packed full of outdoorsy types, with epic MTB trails all around. Little voice in my head is saying 'there's a reason there isn't a bike shop in town'. I have a business admin degree, sales experience and lots of experience with how a small business runs day to day. I'd desire to simply make a living doing something I care about, which is, getting people on bikes. Not looking to get rich and am under no illusion this will be a remotely easy task either. Any good reading on the topic?
Bicycle Retailer and Industry News (BRAIN) is a good bet.

How's this? Start small. Start with the smallest square footage you can rent and start with just wrenching and accessories. Special order stuff on a pre-paid basis. Be prepared to suffer days/weeks of no work till word gets around. If you're a member of RBR, PM PlatyPius for info. He did what you're thinking of doing.

You won't be able to order from QBP or most of the other wholesalers till you have an ad in the yellow pages, have a storefront, a shop, a display area, and send em pics. They don't want 'amateurs' ordering from em. AMHIK

Its a tough row to hoe and you'd better love it or you'll have 'issues.'

Old joke: how do you make a small fortune in the bicycle business? Start with a large fortune.

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Old 05-15-2013, 08:46 AM   #28751
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Old joke: how do you make a small fortune in the bicycle business? Start with a large fortune.

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no no... that's sailmaking
"how do you make a million in sailmaking? start with two million"
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:08 AM   #28752
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Bicycle Retailer and Industry News (BRAIN) is a good bet.

You won't be able to order from QBP or most of the other wholesalers till you have an ad in the yellow pages, have a storefront, a shop, a display area, and send em pics. They don't want 'amateurs' ordering from em. AMHIK

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That's just for Quality...... BTI, J&B and Merry sales are more relaxed.

Quality is more of a one stop shop though.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:29 AM   #28753
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Good stuff over at BRAIN, thanks. Part of the inspiration for this is a row of small commerical spaces in a blossoming area of this town. Think breweries, pubs, rustic-type coffee shops and you get the idea.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:10 AM   #28754
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Does anyone have experience in starting/owning a bike shop, or know of anyone who's done it? I've only read the negatives, and how hard it really is to succeed with one. I'm moving to a small, artsy and health-conscious town up North that could really use a bike shop... an area packed full of outdoorsy types, with epic MTB trails all around. Little voice in my head is saying 'there's a reason there isn't a bike shop in town'. I have a business admin degree, sales experience and lots of experience with how a small business runs day to day.
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I know two people who tried to make a go of it locally. One lasted about a year. The other maybe 18 months. Make sure you or your number one employee is a good mechanic. I don't mean just turning wrenches on road bikes. Competency on fixing MTBs is key, because if ridden properly, they break more often. Pay attention to that voice in your head.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:16 AM   #28755
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Does anyone have experience in starting/owning a bike shop, or know of anyone who's done it? I've only read the negatives, and how hard it really is to succeed with one. I'm moving to a small, artsy and health-conscious town up North that could really use a bike shop... an area packed full of outdoorsy types, with epic MTB trails all around. Little voice in my head is saying 'there's a reason there isn't a bike shop in town'. I have a business admin degree, sales experience and lots of experience with how a small business runs day to day. I'd desire to simply make a living doing something I care about, which is, getting people on bikes. Not looking to get rich and am under no illusion this will be a remotely easy task either. Any good reading on the topic?
A friend of mine quit his stressful job in IT and opened his own bike shop two years ago. He seems to be doing quite well with it, from what I can see. His store usually has as many customers in it as the well established and much better financed chain stores in the area, although much of that could be due to its excellent location. The big downside is that he has almost no time to himself, since the shop is open seven days a week from 9:00 AM to 7:00 PM.

One thing he did tell me that I found interesting was that he makes very little profit on bike sales: the big money is in parts, which he typically makes 70% profit on. I've been trying to interest him in capitalizing on that by selling parts on line, but so far he hasn't shown any interest.

Another possible downside is that none of the major manufacturers (Trek, Specialized, Giant, etc.) seem interested in doing business with small shops. In the case of Trek and Specialized, it required a major financial commitment which he wasn't prepared to make. In reality that may not matter much, because Trek & Specialized have saturated the area with dealerships, and it's questionable whether trying to sell what everyone else in the area is already selling is a good business strategy. Many customers go to him precisely because they're NOT interested in any of the big brands.
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