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Old 05-24-2013, 05:49 AM   #28861
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One of these days, I'm going to have to take some pics on my rides.

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Old 05-24-2013, 06:32 AM   #28862
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I'm a dedicated non-climber. That 'no hills' thing sounds awesome!

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Move to Florida.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:39 AM   #28863
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Move to Florida.
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Its possible I sold this bike

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Old 05-24-2013, 07:53 AM   #28864
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I'm a dedicated non-climber. That 'no hills' thing sounds awesome!

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Come up to the GSW (granite state wheelmen) Seacoast century
It's mosly at sealevel

Compared to the rest of the state, it's downright flat.
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:02 AM   #28865
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Come up to the GSW (granite state wheelmen) Seacoast century
It's mosly at sealevel

Compared to the rest of the state, it's downright flat.
I live right at the edge of the 'coastal plain' here in the DC area. I forget what its called, but its where the tide stops when it comes in. To my east? Flatter. To my west? Hilly. If I want to stay flat, I can.

As much as I hate them, I get a better workout going into the hills.

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Old 05-24-2013, 08:48 AM   #28866
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as Gary Klein put it when someone asked him why he used radial spoking on his bikes about (30 years ago), "the question is why NOT?". at that time the concern he cited for not using radial spoking was that most hubs of the day didn't have flanges strong enough to handle the stresses placed on them by the direct spoke.

i'm not a big fan of most outtathebox wheels, but have put many miles on a pair of (early) Rolfs that i picked up for giggles and ended up riding most of the time for a coupla' years. finally sold them to a lighter-weight friend because even though i couldn't find any problem with them, just the idea of my 200lb+ sack of lard bombing the descents that i enjoy so much on 1300g wheels bothered me somehow. (that, and my friend had recently found his DreamBike, and being on a newlywed budget needed some help).
the only possible downside might be that due to the increased tension and the stiffer rims that are necessary for the low-spoke-count radial-laced wheels, they were a tiny bit (almost imperceptibly) harsher riding than more conventional wheels, but the Rolfs were a delight on the ascents, and i rather miss that,... but frankly, getting myself in better shape would make more of a difference than riding light wheels did.

these days i travel mostly on hand-built conventional wheels; Open Pro or Velocity rims with 32 very light 3x spokes in the front (with brass nipples for long-term maintainability), and slightly heavier spokes in the rear laced 3x drive side/2x non-drive side for more even spoke tensioning. not as light as the the Rolfs (or the GEL280s i ran way back in the day), but a more comfortable ride, and i just don't think about them.


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why the trend towards minimally spoked radially laced wheels on road bikes ?

What's the matter with cross laced 32 spokers ? Hard as hens teeth to find a wheelset that isn't radially laced 24 - 28 , 20 - 24 spoked wheelsets. I am not a huge dude at 5'10" 165-170lbs but prefer strong wheels.

Am I overly paranoid to not want a minimally spoked set ? We have some nice roads but also some chewed up hunks of mess. I don't want a set of wheels that needs trued every couple of rides.

What are you folks experiences/preferences for "training" wheelsets for the road ?
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:56 AM   #28867
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very pretty.

as for "how... thousands of feet in elevation in a ride", it's like so many other things; you just get better at it with practice. (that and the fact that i can't hardly go for any kind of decent ride around here without doing a coupla' thousand feet of elevation.)

but mostly, i'm not especially good at or fond of going up, but coming down is another story... i go up to come down.


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Ok, yes, I'm a poser, yes, it isn't diddly squat compared to most of ya'lls ride reports, but for some reason, a few miles in to today's ride, I decided to pull out the camera and start snapping photos.
This is my typical "hill day" route. 27 miles, right at 1500 ft in climbing. Yes, not anything compared to you mountain dwellers, but my "flat day" ride is 20 or 28(two loops or three) with less than 400 feet in climbing.



And that's about all the hills I want to hit in a day. How you guys can ride thousands of feet in elevation in a ride is beyond me.

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Old 05-24-2013, 09:53 AM   #28868
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I live right at the edge of the 'coastal plain' here in the DC area. I forget what its called, but its where the tide stops when it comes in. To my east? Flatter. To my west? Hilly. If I want to stay flat, I can.

As much as I hate them, I get a better workout going into the hills.

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I live on a ski mountain, so hills are not something I can avoid, unless I stick the bike on the roof rack and drive somewhere. The Seacoast Century is my treat for the year.

As for radial wheels, I have a set of Campy Scirocco's that have been quite bombproof, I got them used about 5 years ago, and they've never needed truing, they aren't on the bike full-time though, my conventional 32 spoke tubbies are more comfortable.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:29 PM   #28869
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Another 'Rule #5' ride today. Even tho I waited till the rain stopped, it was still VERY windy.

My riding buddy accused me of hammering up the hills so he started hammering up the hills so I HAD to hammer up the hills.

...all into one heck of a headwind!

The ride back was mostly tailwind

2:17 of 'not going easy' and my legs are dead again.

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Old 05-24-2013, 06:02 PM   #28870
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Had a beautiful ride today. 66 and sunny, just lovely. It was one of those "always a headwind" days though.... The only time the wind was to my back was the last mile to my house. Can't complain, though.

22 miles in 1.5 hrs. Lots of stops for lights and traffic, so not that bad.
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Old 05-25-2013, 06:12 AM   #28871
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Two of the UK’s biggest motoring schools, the AA and BSM, will give learner drivers dedicated instruction on how to drive safely around cyclists.

“I am personally committed to breaking down the ‘two tribes’ attitude displayed between some drivers and cyclists. Often we are the same people,” King said. “This new module means we now have a standardised approach to teaching learners how to drive safely around cyclists from two of the country’s leading driving schools. I am convinced that this initiative will change attitudes and save lives.”

Its a start anyway. I hope it'll catch on here, but I seriously doubt it.

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Old 05-25-2013, 06:19 AM   #28872
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Yeah, a tri bike needs to be setup for the rider, for sure. Pad placement and extension angle are hugely important. Furthermore, you'll need to learn to steer with your shoulders/upper body to reduce/slow bar input. Otherwise, you end up with the instability you describe. Don't steer with your elbows!
I test rode the Shiv and Speed Concept yesterday. Both bikes proved to be unexpectedly user friendly on local roads. I can see how either one could serve as your daily ride. In the racing position though, the Trek was a bit scary, even in a straight line. The slightest movement sends it veering off course, and the front end has an annoying tendency to fall into the turns. I'm told this is because the Speed Concept has a more aggressive steering geometry and places more of the rider's weight over the forks than the Shiv does. I could not verify any claims about their superior speed because the roads just weren't long enough to get me up to 35mph+ without having to brake for an intersection. Neither bike was what I'd call a fun ride. Certainly not compared to any of the current crop of road bikes I've ridden. Unless I was involved in time trials or iron man contests, I can't see a reason to want one.
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Old 05-25-2013, 06:33 AM   #28873
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Unless I was involved in time trials or iron man contests, I can't see a reason to want one.
exactly

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Old 05-25-2013, 12:20 PM   #28874
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Attention everyone. I have an announcement!

I have a case of the screw-its today.

That is all. Carry on

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Old 05-26-2013, 07:23 AM   #28875
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Thanks for sharing. I really like rural Ohio.
I feel like I need to ride in the midwest. I hear Wisconsin is pretty wonderful.
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