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Old 07-24-2013, 05:09 PM   #30046
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Mountain biker here

Love it, its an absolutely amazing experience to ride places where I never thought possible, the look on peoples faces who are on OHV when you come huffing up a hill, first shock, then shame

got a Raleigh 29r talus hardtail to be my quick run trail bike and run errands ride, now I donot want to ride my KHS all mountain 26r FS anymore, the egros of the 29r ruined me!!

Looks like the 26r is going down the road.
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:16 PM   #30047
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At least you're smart enough NOT to climb Brasstown Bald.
What?! Was hoping you'd be my climbing partner, someday.
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:21 PM   #30048
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Drink a lot of water, a lot. LIke a gallon.

Get used to drinking lots of water. Cramps be gone.

That fixes most of it.

Next, learn to do a self leg massage. You will be amazed what that deos for your legs.

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The two days took its toll I did nothing on monday and I mean nothing hardly got out of the easy chair.Tues. I did a 20 mile easy spin on the rail trail and my legs weree feeling pretty good.Tonight i'm going for a C club ride and may do some light climbing.Actually it's a clydesdale ride which I just qualify for beer drinking after.
Funny how things that never cramped or hurt before or bothered me before
start hurting on the second day
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:27 AM   #30049
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Heading out for Coburn, PA tonight. I'll be racing the Wilderness101 this Saturday. I know it's a long shot but I'd love to grab a beer with any of you hooligans if you're nearby... or on the way. Not going 95 this time. Taking 81 through VA, West B.G. Va to PA.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:48 AM   #30050
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:20 AM   #30051
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:33 AM   #30052
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:01 AM   #30053
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Success!

First wheel is built. I guesstimated at ERD from the manf. +10mm. Ended up 2mm short. So next up: get spokes cut based on the #s I got from spocalc +2mm.



24mm tubular front is a go. Next up: the back, the 44mm rear clinchera, set of 38mm tubulars, THEN find a 20h front hub that goes with the D/A 7700 rear for the clincher set.

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Old 07-25-2013, 08:02 AM   #30054
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Success!

First wheel is built. I guesstimated at ERD from the manf. +10mm. Ended up 2mm short. So next up: get spokes cut based on the #s I got from spocalc +2mm.



24mm tubular front is a go. Next up: the back, the 44mm rear clinchera, set of 38mm tubulars, THEN find a 20h front hub that goes with the D/A 7700 rear for the clincher set.

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Are these wheels you're building for yourself, or the shop?
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:21 AM   #30055
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Are these wheels you're building for yourself, or the shop?
For me. I'm not a good enough wheelbuilder to be able to get em done quickly enough to do em for the shop. Let me correct that a little: once I get em laced right, I can get em done rather quickly. Its the getting em laced right (label lined up with the valve hole, no crossing spokes over the valve hole, etc) that takes the time.

Having $100+ of the wrong size spokes doesn't help with speed.

I don't build enough wheels to have the key spoke and its location memorized.

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Old 07-25-2013, 09:26 AM   #30056
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:32 AM   #30057
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I programmed my HP- something to calculate spoke length, using an algorithm from Brandt. This was of course well before internet toys or excel was available in our pockets.
I used it to calculate spoke lengths for a couple of sets of wheels I built. One set of training sew-ups, a radial spoked front and my set of C-record hubbed MA40's. Every spoke was the perfect length. That was cool. But, I had to create my own database of values to work from. Getting the rim measurement right is a trick. I did it by using two spokes and a caliper.
I was never fast, so building as a profession would be dumb. Though I would not get fat.
The usual method of building wheels back then was to go to the pro-shop, (real bicycle shop run by an old European ex-racer) who would hand you the hubs you desired, rims spokes and nipples, then berate you for screwing it up a few days later when you came back with the rear wheel laced backwards.
But, then patiently demonstrate how to re-lace it correctly and send you on your way.
Then every time you walked in to buy some tubes, tires or just hang out, he'd ask if you broke those wheels yet.

Good times.
And yes, I've laced a wheel up completely backwards and mounted the tire and as I put into the frame noticed my error. It was 10:30-ish PM. There were a few raw words expended at somewhat elevated levels. The neighbors may have noticed. By, 1AM I had it corrected.
That has been long enough ago to not remember much more than that and which wheel that was, I think first rims on those old 36H Campy hubs, or maybe it was the second. Yeah, probably the second. Back when I could hear I could tune my spoke by ear. I even managed that with old airhead wheels from the 60's and 70's.
I still prefer the look of those old spoke rims from the 1974 R90S to most cast wheels.

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For me. I'm not a good enough wheelbuilder to be able to get em done quickly enough to do em for the shop. Let me correct that a little: once I get em laced right, I can get em done rather quickly. Its the getting em laced right (label lined up with the valve hole, no crossing spokes over the valve hole, etc) that takes the time.

Having $100+ of the wrong size spokes doesn't help with speed.

I don't build enough wheels to have the key spoke and its location memorized.

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Old 07-25-2013, 09:36 AM   #30058
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For me. I'm not a good enough wheelbuilder to be able to get em done quickly enough to do em for the shop. Let me correct that a little: once I get em laced right, I can get em done rather quickly. Its the getting em laced right (label lined up with the valve hole, no crossing spokes over the valve hole, etc) that takes the time.

Having $100+ of the wrong size spokes doesn't help with speed.

I don't build enough wheels to have the key spoke and its location memorized.

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Very cool. That's one skill I have yet to attempt... soon though!
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:41 AM   #30059
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Very cool. That's one skill I have yet to attempt... soon though!
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:53 AM   #30060
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Very cool. That's one skill I have yet to attempt... soon though!
Buy the book. Read the book. Screw things up. Fix em. Get better. Repeat till you're decent at it. Then stop riding for 6 years and forget all you know so you have to re-learn it.

S'how I did it anyway.

I build most of my own wheels. I'll accumulate hubs and then find rims for em. ...or vice versa... I still have a stack 12" deep of box-section tubular rims from my days of racing track.

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Edited to add: d by Mr Head. Oh well.
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