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Old 08-01-2013, 11:31 AM   #30241
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I don't assume that at all. In fact, I'm very aware that bicycle racers do not represent the majority of cyclists in this nation or the world.

When you say that it does not appeal to you in the slightest... I call bullshit. If it did not appeal to you, we would never be subjected to your rants about Strava inaccuracies and comparing your virtual times to others in your area. You would not be subjecting yourself to the classes you are currently enrolled if the spirit of competition did not course through your veins.
That interpretation couldn't be further off the mark if you'd tried. What I said is that the type of racing you're involved in doesn't appeal to me at all. Your descriptions of it sound like just the thing I would do if I wanted to learn to hate bicycling and move on to something much less miserable. That being said, I don't criticize you for being attracted to that type of thing if that's what fits your particular psychology. Perhaps you should extend others the same courtesy.
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:41 AM   #30242
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And I don't care too much. I can ride fast enough to feel good, and far and long enough to keep burning off the fat. Once I'm where I want to be as far as weight, I'll maybe do some long rides. I do want to figure out how to get me and my bike to Iowa for RAGBRAI so I can ride with my brother again. Maybe I'll just drive back there? That is probably the most straight forward.
I'm 27 and that's where I'm at already I've got a older racy road bike that I'm afraid to ride after a week on the Trucker, just because the Trucker is fairly comfy and will climb up over anything (albeit slowly). RAGBRAI was just about my pace - I want to go on some longer rides now, but they won't be as fast as I had shot for previously.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:38 PM   #30243
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Wellgo has some great prices. They make a set of pedals that look just like the Look pedals I want, but at a much lower price. Are they any good?


Wellgo makes a HUGE range of pedals, from the cheapest plastic junk riding on bushings rather than bearings to nice quality cro-mo or titanium spindle stuff with sealed cartridge bearings. they make OEM pedals for lots of brands. I've only used their pin-platform pedals, no experience with any clipless things. the ones I have are cro-mo spindle sealed bearing jobbies, with a large but light dished alloy platform with lots of pins.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:08 PM   #30244
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different strokes for different folks

for me the mental and physical struggle and "suffering" during training, riding or racing is what helps me sleep at night. It makes me feel alive and feel that I am out there living life and not sitting on the porch watching it roll by.

As screwed up as its sounds the mental and physical "torture" is kind of my therapy and in some ways my escapism. Its in those moments of "suffering" I find clarity, simplicity and peace.

When your heart is beating so hard you can feel it in your temples, the sweat is flushing into your eyes, your hands are tingling, your legs are jello and everything in you says No, Stop I cant take anymore, but you push through, you force yourself to give every last ounce in you to overcome the situtation, you are so focused on the task at hand everything else is just a blurr. There is no stress seeping in, no drama, no bills, no work, no headaches, its just your mind and body, no one there to help, no crutches or excuses, you either do it yourself or fail. yep I am a weirdo, at least my wife thinks so...

Aurelius, sorry to hear about your injury, just keep pedaling and enjoying life
Same here. On a group ride, one realizes that we all suffer and that the big test is mental. How long are you willing to be uncomfortable?

Greg Lemond said it best: "It never gets easier, you just get faster."

So true. But that's what makes it worthwhile. The struggle, the challenge, the rise to the challenge and overcoming it.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:02 PM   #30245
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Same here. On a group ride, one realizes that we all suffer and that the big test is mental. How long are you willing to be uncomfortable?

Greg Lemond said it best: "It never gets easier, you just get faster."

So true. But that's what makes it worthwhile. The struggle, the challenge, the rise to the challenge and overcoming it.
Surely all of you are at least dimly aware that there are challenges much greater than what you've described, but which don't entail physical pain or mental distress, right? So when I read these sorts of remarks, it makes me wonder what it is about suffering specifically that you find so appealing. Would you ride a bicycle if you couldn't use it to inflict pain and mental anguish on yourselves?
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:10 PM   #30246
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Surely all of you are at least dimly aware that there are challenges much greater than what you've described, but which don't entail physical pain or mental distress, right? So when I read these sorts of remarks, it makes me wonder what it is about suffering specifically that you find so appealing. Would you ride a bicycle if you couldn't use it to inflict pain and mental anguish on yourselves?
like what sort of challenges? if its too easy, its not challenging.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:49 PM   #30247
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like what sort of challenges? if its too easy, its not challenging.
What sorts? How about earning a PhD, or making a great scientific discovery, or becoming the world chess champion? The list is quite long.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:50 PM   #30248
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like what sort of challenges? if its too easy, its not challenging.


I guess I'm a bit of a masochist.

I used to love suffering through a good old fashioned enduro.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:54 PM   #30249
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What sorts? How about earning a PhD, or making a great scientific discovery, or becoming the world chess champion? The list is quite long.

if you don't think mental anguish is involved in any of those activities, well, then we're not on the same planet.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:54 PM   #30250
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Surely all of you are at least dimly aware that there are challenges much greater than what you've described, but which don't entail physical pain or mental distress, right? So when I read these sorts of remarks, it makes me wonder what it is about suffering specifically that you find so appealing. Would you ride a bicycle if you couldn't use it to inflict pain and mental anguish on yourselves?
If you're dimly familiar with what's happened with my wife, I'm well aware of those challenges.

While I love going out for a toodle with her on some of the bike trails and find it eminently refreshing, romantic and enjoyable, I equally love the challenge of finding out what I'm capable of by engaging in more challenging physical activities.

They provide a different kind of reward that has helped me gain an understanding of what I'm capable of when I'm willing to stick it out. This has paid off outside of cycling for me when I've been faced with significant challenges. Learning first hand that pain is temporary and can be overcome is something I've learned via endurance cycling.

For many cyclists, we fetishize suffering. It helps us grow as cyclists and as individuals. You're engaged in some serious training, by the looks of it and you must have episodes where you're very uncomfortable for a period of time, but when you look at what you've done, the reward is tremendous.

This was my experience with Death Ride. It was, without a doubt, in the top 5 most difficult physical challenges I've ever had. But when it was over, the sense of internal reward was right in that top 5 as well.

We all get different things from cycling. You race via Strava. I see how far I can ride. Ridge races in epic races. K7 sees how far anyone can ride. Gummee races his buddies. It's a lot like motorcycling in that regard. Many activities, many rewards; almost all of them highly individualized.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:56 PM   #30251
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What sorts? How about earning a PhD, or making a great scientific discovery, or becoming the world chess champion? The list is quite long.
Any of those activities are going to require some form of mental challenge; whether it involves mental anguish depends on the situation, doesn't it? No task exists in a vacuum.
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:06 PM   #30252
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Any of those activities are going to require some form of mental challenge; whether it involves mental anguish depends on the situation, doesn't it? No task exists in a vacuum.
What none of them involve is deliberately causing yourself to suffer for the sake of enduring it.
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:30 PM   #30253
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What none of them involve is deliberately causing yourself to suffer for the sake of enduring it.
But that's what separates the wheat from the chaff. A brevet series runs 200, 300, 400 and then 600-km. At the top is the 1200.

As you work your way to the longer distances, you realize that it's as much a mental test as a physical one and the number of people that complete a 1200 in any given year is probably under 4000 unless its a PBP year.

In long distance events, I think only RAW and RAAM riders covers more distance but they also doing it under race conditions. They're the elite in my LD world.

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Old 08-01-2013, 06:24 PM   #30254
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If you're dimly familiar with what's happened with my wife, I'm well aware of those challenges.
I'm not at all familiar with that, but my question was a rhetorical one, as you already knew.

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For many cyclists, we fetishize suffering. It helps us grow as cyclists and as individuals. You're engaged in some serious training, by the looks of it and you must have episodes where you're very uncomfortable for a period of time, but when you look at what you've done, the reward is tremendous.
No, this is where we part ways. The extreme discomfort I experience during hard training is something I regard as a necessary evil. My achievement is not in overcoming it, but in getting the performance improvements that training confers. I would prefer being able to achieve that goal without all the pain and discomfort, but that just isn't possible. When I think of people who fetishize suffering, I'm reminded of kids I knew who would lay lit cigarettes on their arms to see how long they could tolerate the pain. The longer the burn scar left behind, the greater their 'accomplishment'. I regard that sort of behavior is indicative of a mental illness, certainly not something to be proud of. I don't say that because of the disfigurement it causes; my judgment would be the same even if it didn't.

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This was my experience with Death Ride. It was, without a doubt, in the top 5 most difficult physical challenges I've ever had. But when it was over, the sense of internal reward was right in that top 5 as well.

We all get different things from cycling. You race via Strava. I see how far I can ride. Ridge races in epic races. K7 sees how far anyone can ride. Gummee races his buddies. It's a lot like motorcycling in that regard. Many activities, many rewards; almost all of them highly individualized.
But you'll notice that while I find the things you, Gummee, and Ridge do completely unappealing, I don't presume to criticize you for enjoying them. If only Gummee and Ridge would do me the same courtesy.
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:59 PM   #30255
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I went for a ride.
And lived to tell about it.

Felt better than last night.

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