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Old 12-28-2013, 07:13 PM   #32146
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I'm not sure which one of us it is, but it would seem one of us doesn't quite grasp what the word hypocrite means.

If someone as a bicyclist obeys the traffic laws, stops at stop signs/red lights, doesnt block the pedestrian crosswalk or race across them at red lights, as well doesn't block traffic - it's not hypocritical to biatch about those bobbleheads that do engage in that behavior.

In the same manner, I can bitch about loud pipes/pirates/bar to bar drunk riders without hypocrisy until I buy a cruiser, toss on pirate gear, toss on loud pipes then ride drunk from bar to bar, or hold up traffic with my slow ass brothers because a 25mph corner is too much while making sure my tassels have maximum hang time.

To wit: Until you engage in the behavior you're complaining about its not hypocrisy.
Exactly, the hypocrisy lies in the fact that everyone breaks traffic laws. We just pick which ones we want to break. Also, don't lump all cyclists into one group when you saw one doing something stupid. I was driving my cage the speed limit the other day and got passed on a double yellow by another cage that thought I should be going twice the speed limit, does that mean all other cages drive like that?
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:19 PM   #32147
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Exactly, the hypocrisy lies in the fact that everyone breaks traffic laws. We just pick which ones we want to break. Also, don't lump all cyclists into one group when you saw one doing something stupid. I was driving my cage the speed limit the other day and got passed on a double yellow by another cage that thought I should be going twice the speed limit, does that mean all other cages drive like that?
Where I live, everyone breaks some traffic law. Id argue that in these parts the worst offenders are on two human powered wheels and further they're the most egregious. Completely blowing stop signs and red lights without looking or slowing? Ill take my chances with a car or motorcycle that will at least attempt to initiate a California stop. As a pedestrian I've been hit by bikes, not cars. As an equestrian I've been hit by bikes not cars. As a car driver I've been hit by bikes (and cars). As a bicyclist I've been hit by bikes (not cars). As a motorcyclist I (thankfully) havent been hit.

I do know that there are some bicyclists that follow the rules - however they seem to be in the minority. I wish they were in the majority.

I just bought a new bike so Ill be joining the road bike crowd. However I will be stopping at stop signs/red lights and if I'm blocking traffic I will get my arse to the side/off the road.
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:32 PM   #32148
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Wow. If you are getting hit by bicycles no matter what mode of transportation you are using, you just might be doing it wrong
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:16 AM   #32149
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Fat bikes...

A friend of mine just picked up a Norco Bigfoot, and I'm afraid I'm going to succumb to peer pressure. Locally there's tons of stuff available, but I think the most likely choices are the Norco, KHS, or Salsa Mukluk 3. I'm leaning towards the Mukluk because it has similar components to the KHS, but has a better fork and alternator dropouts which would allow me to run a 29+ wheelset during the summer if I wanted too, plus I already have a Vaya and I'm partial to Salsa...any thoughts.

http://salsacycles.com/bikes/2014_mukluk_3


http://khsbicycles.com/bikes/2014-khs-models/3000-2-14/


http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/fat-bike/bigfoot/
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:35 AM   #32150
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Thanks, now I have more to look into. Tho Yakima seems to have explodified on my mac and android phone.
I've had both Thule and Yakima systems over the years. Both are great systems that will outlast many cars.

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Old 12-29-2013, 06:45 AM   #32151
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Wow. If you are getting hit by bicycles no matter what mode of transportation you are using, you just might be doing it wrong
No joke, huh? If something keeps happening to you over and over, maybe its better to start with the face staring at you out of the mirror. You've looked up the definition of insanity, right?

I get that there're idiots on bicycles. I know 'cause I've seen em too. HOWever, that doesn't mean that ALL cyclists ride like that and 'deserve' what they get. Just like ALL Prius drivers hog the left lane or ALL cruiser riders polish their chrome more than they ride or ALL ADVRiders wear Power Ranger suits. Don't work like that in real life, but yet, somehow, ALL cyclists get tarred with the same brush.

I say 'hypocritical' when discussing moto riders 'cause the same behaviors are done by both, but yet people don't see that when pointing fingers. Let s/he is without sin cast the first stone.

I recognize that I'm not perfect and will allow folks time/room so I can pass safely in the hopes that when its my turn, folks will repay the favor. IOW follow the Golden Rule.

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Old 12-29-2013, 08:29 AM   #32152
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There really isn't all that much mtn biking in the area that's 'close.' PQ Canyon, some down by the border, some up north of Escondido, and Mission Valley Park (I forget the real name). If you've got military connections, there's great trails on Miramar.

...but otherwise, you're headed to Idylwild, Big Bear, Borrego Springs, or Mammoth for 'big rides.'

LOTS of roads and gravel roads in the East Co. tho. Great place to have a big-tanked DS bike.

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Old 12-29-2013, 11:24 AM   #32153
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Bike and parts

I have been cycling for 20+ years and the prices of bikes and parts are ridiculous. We had this conversation yesterday and really why is. A mass produced bike made in Tiwann as expensive as they are? I went through the Cannondale factory years ago and it was an impressive place and employed Americans. Of course I ride a Surly and it is made in Tiwan but I only gave 400 for the frame and fork and I really like the bike. How do you guys feel about this?
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:29 AM   #32154
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I have been cycling for 20+ years and the prices of bikes and parts are ridiculous. We had this conversation yesterday and really why is. A mass produced bike made in Tiwann as expensive as they are? I went through the Cannondale factory years ago and it was an impressive place and employed Americans. Of course I ride a Surly and it is made in Tiwan but I only gave 400 for the frame and fork and I really like the bike. How do you guys feel about this?
I ride a surly as well. I've been cycling for 30 years. No reason why a $400 frame and fork can't be made in the USA.... It's just some pipe welded together but they can make them soooo much cheaper in Tiawan.

I don't agree with it but it is a nice quality bike to ride.
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:35 AM   #32155
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I ride a surly as well. I've been cycling for 30 years. No reason why a $400 frame and fork can't be made in the USA.... It's just some pipe welded together but they can make them soooo much cheaper in Tiawan.

I don't agree with it but it is a nice quality bike to ride.
I sold my road bike thinking I wasn't going to ride on the road anymore and then purchased a 20 year old Bianchi. That bike rides as well as the Trek Pilot I used to have and that bike was full carbon.
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Old 12-29-2013, 02:55 PM   #32156
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A friend of mine just picked up a Norco Bigfoot, and I'm afraid I'm going to succumb to peer pressure. Locally there's tons of stuff available, but I think the most likely choices are the Norco, KHS, or Salsa Mukluk 3. I'm leaning towards the Mukluk because it has similar components to the KHS, but has a better fork and alternator dropouts which would allow me to run a 29+ wheelset during the summer if I wanted too, plus I already have a Vaya and I'm partial to Salsa...any thoughts.

http://salsacycles.com/bikes/2014_mukluk_3


http://khsbicycles.com/bikes/2014-khs-models/3000-2-14/


http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/fat-bike/bigfoot/
I'm really jonesing one of these rides, especially in my new VT home. I've seen a few dudes up here ripping these in the woods in deep snow, looks like such a blast. Almost considering selling my Reign for one of these fat bikes I can swap out a 2.3 29" tire on for the summer.
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:24 PM   #32157
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Had a good ride Saturday at The Last Dam Century of the Year with the usual gang of idiots. It's funny how the same climbs seem to get longer and steeper with repetition.

With no work or family obligations, the plan is for a long MTB ride or gravel grinder on New Year's Day.

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Old 12-30-2013, 05:39 AM   #32158
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I have been cycling for 20+ years and the prices of bikes and parts are ridiculous. We had this conversation yesterday and really why is. A mass produced bike made in Tiwann as expensive as they are? I went through the Cannondale factory years ago and it was an impressive place and employed Americans. Of course I ride a Surly and it is made in Tiwan but I only gave 400 for the frame and fork and I really like the bike. How do you guys feel about this?
Many of the parts/accessories prices have gotten out of control. Walk into a LBS and they want $50 for a water bottle cage. What happened to the aluminum one that cost $5? $10 for a plain plastic water bottle with the shop logo? WTF? Seat posts and stems are a ripoff too. I buy them from the used take off bin in the back of the shop.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:17 AM   #32159
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A friend of mine just picked up a Norco Bigfoot, and I'm afraid I'm going to succumb to peer pressure. Locally there's tons of stuff available, but I think the most likely choices are the Norco, KHS, or Salsa Mukluk 3. I'm leaning towards the Mukluk because it has similar components to the KHS, but has a better fork and alternator dropouts which would allow me to run a 29+ wheelset during the summer if I wanted too, plus I already have a Vaya and I'm partial to Salsa...any thoughts.
I don't know much about fat bikes, but Bikes Direct is selling a bike that is supposedly just a rebadged version of that KHS you linked to. The price is about 40% off the list price of the KHS.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:31 PM   #32160
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Wow. If you are getting hit by bicycles no matter what mode of transportation you are using, you just might be doing it wrong
I seem to have a magnet for them.
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