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Old 01-29-2014, 09:39 AM   #32401
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Speaking of CX bikes off-road...

I enjoy riding my CX bikes off-road as much or more than I enjoy riding my mtn bikes off-road. I especially like riding my CX bike off-road where Joe Blow INSISTS he needs DS to ride the trail.

I've been on some seriously gnarly trails on my CX bike. No, it wasn't the right tool for the job, but its an 'adventure' right?!

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I agree, although I don't have a cross bike. I mtn bike with a friend occasionally who does take his, though. And he doesn't wear a helmet, either.


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I had an interesting discussion with an experienced mtb rider about a new 'Expert level' Red section that was recently added to a local trail. He's of the opinion that a true 'expert level' trail is one that someone on a 29er should not be able to make it through. He insists that 29ers are designed for cross country riding and lack the long suspension travel and acrobatic capabilities of a 26er. If someone does make it through on a 29er, he argues, then it's proof that the trail isn't difficult enough to be called an 'expert level' trail.

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Sometimes I think that trail difficulty markers are relative to the region. One trail systems expert level is anothers intermediate. It's also how you make it through.
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Old 01-29-2014, 03:22 PM   #32402
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I had an interesting discussion with an experienced mtb rider about a new 'Expert level' Red section that was recently added to a local trail. He's of the opinion that a true 'expert level' trail is one that someone on a 29er should not be able to make it through. He insists that 29ers are designed for cross country riding and lack the long suspension travel and acrobatic capabilities of a 26er. If someone does make it through on a 29er, he argues, then it's proof that the trail isn't difficult enough to be called an 'expert level' trail.

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It has nothing to do with the bike. If it is more difficult than a intermediate trail, then it is expert.
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Old 01-29-2014, 05:04 PM   #32403
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Hitch mount bike carriers?

Hi All, I'm currently having a bad rash of 1st world problems in that my new 29er MTB won't fit in the car without a wheel off, I just got a new car which has less room in the back & won't fit any of our bikes without a wheel off, the old hitch mount carrier was always crap & is more crap with the new bike... So it's time to make a better hitch mount bike carrier.

I have fairly decent fabrication capability at home so I can pretty much build whatever I want & custom fit it to the new Subaru Crosstrek. I have a few ideas, thinking of going with the type where the front wheel comes off & the forks clip into a QR axle on the carrier, the back wheel gets strapped into a slot. May make it modular so a rack for a 2nd bike slots into the main carrier. Hoping to make it low profile enough that it can just stay on the car most of the time.

So if anyone has, or has seen anything like this that works well I'm keen to check out any pics, links or advice that might help in the design process.

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Old 01-29-2014, 05:26 PM   #32404
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Hi All, I'm currently having a bad rash of 1st world problems in that my new 29er MTB won't fit in the car without a wheel off, I just got a new car which has less room in the back & won't fit any of our bikes without a wheel off, the old hitch mount carrier was always crap & is more crap with the new bike... So it's time to make a better hitch mount bike carrier.

I have fairly decent fabrication capability at home so I can pretty much build whatever I want & custom fit it to the new Subaru Crosstrek. I have a few ideas, thinking of going with the type where the front wheel comes off & the forks clip into a QR axle on the carrier, the back wheel gets strapped into a slot. May make it modular so a rack for a 2nd bike slots into the main carrier. Hoping to make it low profile enough that it can just stay on the car most of the time.

So if anyone has, or has seen anything like this that works well I'm keen to check out any pics, links or advice that might help in the design process.

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What's wrong with taking a wheel off? I do that all the time to get my bikes in the back seat of the Bank Vault.

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Nite 2 down. 2 sets of Tabata intervals in 50min of riding. Where's the puke bucket?
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Old 01-29-2014, 08:32 PM   #32405
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Hi All, I'm currently having a bad rash of 1st world problems in that my new 29er MTB won't fit in the car without a wheel off, I just got a new car which has less room in the back & won't fit any of our bikes without a wheel off, the old hitch mount carrier was always crap & is more crap with the new bike... So it's time to make a better hitch mount bike carrier.

I have fairly decent fabrication capability at home so I can pretty much build whatever I want & custom fit it to the new Subaru Crosstrek. I have a few ideas, thinking of going with the type where the front wheel comes off & the forks clip into a QR axle on the carrier, the back wheel gets strapped into a slot. May make it modular so a rack for a 2nd bike slots into the main carrier. Hoping to make it low profile enough that it can just stay on the car most of the time.

So if anyone has, or has seen anything like this that works well I'm keen to check out any pics, links or advice that might help in the design process.
I'm not into cobbling stuff together, especially, on a new car. Get yourself a nice hitch rack, like a Kuat NV, and be done with it. A repair stand is included with them. Can't beat 'em.



Here's a video, if you need more info.
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Old 01-29-2014, 08:53 PM   #32406
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I'm not into cobbling stuff together, especially, on a new car. Get yourself a nice hitch rack, like a Kuat NV, and be done with it. A repair stand is included with them. Can't beat 'em.



Here's a video, if you need more info.
That Kuat is truly state-of-the-art and priced like it. Before heading on a long trip last year, I shopped fairly hard trying to find somethat that suited my tastes and my wallet.

My criteria was fairly clear - hitch mount, supports the wheel at a decent level as to not drag and it had to carry a high-racer recumbent. That last part is pretty easy though.

I purchased a Saris Freedom 2-Bike Hitch Rack. It's not fancy but it's very well-built and stable. I love it - very good value for the money. The center support folds down and I simply stow it in the truck when I park for a ride.

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Old 01-29-2014, 10:18 PM   #32407
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That Kuat is truly state-of-the-art and priced like it. Before heading on a long trip last year, I shopped fairly hard trying to find somethat that suited my tastes and my wallet.
And, how much did your bike cost?
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:47 AM   #32408
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That Kuat is truly state-of-the-art and priced like it. Before heading on a long trip last year, I shopped fairly hard trying to find somethat that suited my tastes and my wallet.

My criteria was fairly clear - hitch mount, supports the wheel at a decent level as to not drag and it had to carry a high-racer recumbent. That last part is pretty easy though.

I purchased a Saris Freedom 2-Bike Hitch Rack. It's not fancy but it's very well-built and stable. I love it - very good value for the money. The center support folds down and I simply stow it in the truck when I park for a ride.

I like the way the Kuat and some of the other racks grab the tire and not the frame for stability.

If you want to cobble something together, all you need is a Harbor Freight luggage rack and some 'bike tites.' Either weld or bolt the bike tites to the luggage rack and use some toe straps to hold the rear wheel in place and drive on for cheep.

If you wanna get fancier than that, get the same luggage rack, but add Thule/Yakima/Rocky Mounts upright mounts to it instead of the fork mount. More $, but if you get the mounts on CL, they won't be as expensive as new

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Old 01-30-2014, 05:36 AM   #32409
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I like the way the Kuat and some of the other racks grab the tire and not the frame for stability.
Totally agree. I have one that tensions the top tube. I cringe, on our CF bikes.

Last year, Kuat donated an NV to The Cedar Cross. It's possible, they'll do that again, this year, if any of you want to ride 100mi of MO gravel.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:13 AM   #32410
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And, how much did your bike cost?
A lot more than my rack. I'd love to have one of those Kuat racks but we're talking...what... $800 for the Kuat versus $200 for the Saris. The Kuat is extremely well-built - IMHO, it's probably the best rack that money can buy. I just don't need all the features that it offers.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:26 AM   #32411
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Hi All, I'm currently having a bad rash of 1st world problems in that my new 29er MTB won't fit in the car without a wheel off, I just got a new car which has less room in the back & won't fit any of our bikes without a wheel off, the old hitch mount carrier was always crap & is more crap with the new bike... So it's time to make a better hitch mount bike carrier.

I have fairly decent fabrication capability at home so I can pretty much build whatever I want & custom fit it to the new Subaru Crosstrek. I have a few ideas, thinking of going with the type where the front wheel comes off & the forks clip into a QR axle on the carrier, the back wheel gets strapped into a slot. May make it modular so a rack for a 2nd bike slots into the main carrier. Hoping to make it low profile enough that it can just stay on the car most of the time.

So if anyone has, or has seen anything like this that works well I'm keen to check out any pics, links or advice that might help in the design process.

Cheers
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I've seen them all and this is by far the best design I've come across at the trail heads.
http://www.1upusa.com/product-quikracksilver.html
Instead of plastic parts and fancy logos, it's made entirely of aluminum by a machine shop here in the USA. Once you see one up close, you'll realize these racks are on a different level. If I ever replace my Softride Versa (which I love), this is what I'll buy.
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:05 AM   #32412
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I purchased a Saris Freedom 2-Bike Hitch Rack. It's not fancy but it's very well-built and stable. I love it - very good value for the money. The center support folds down and I simply stow it in the truck when I park for a ride.
I had one of those. Be careful about the cheap clamps that hold the bike in place. The rubber pad will wear through and hard plastic parts below will take the paint off your bike frame.
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:43 AM   #32413
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I'd love to have one of those Kuat racks but we're talking...what... $800 for the Kuat.
In the $550 range.

I do think what Thule and Yakima charge for their shit is absurd. They make so much of it proprietary and in pieces, so you're forever buying something. What's worse is all the "Freds" driving around with that rack and crap on the roof, which rarely gets used, beats the hell out of their bike and kills their mileage when they do, just so they can look "Pro". I'd rather see someone buy a trunk or tire mount rack, and just be honest about themselves and conscientious about the fact they're burning gas to go enjoy doing something that doesn't and shouldn't burn gas to do. Huge props to the commuter and utility riders. I'm working toward that.
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I've seen them all and this is by far the best design I've come across at the trail heads.
http://www.1upusa.com/product-quikracksilver.html
That is a nice rack. I like how each addition is placed higher than the one before it for ground clearance. That it's made in USA is a plus, as is the compact size when stowed. I don't like how you have to steady the bike during securement/unsecurement. If an end holder could stay in place, it'd make things easier. Maybe, their video just isn't showing that it can be done that way. I can just see me dropping my MTB into the tailgate of my truck.
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:05 PM   #32415
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What's wrong with taking a wheel off? I do that all the time to get my bikes in the back seat of the Bank Vault.
That's not the main issue, although it was nice being able to just turf an entire bike or 2 in whole with the old car. With my bigger bike & smaller car things would get quite tight with 2 bikes & gear even with wheels off, plus I've been meaning to build something like this for a while.

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I'm not into cobbling stuff together, especially, on a new car. Get yourself a nice hitch rack,
I am into cobbling stuff together. I'm not talking 2x4's & baling wire here, more like TIG welded cro-moly tube & billet machined fittings

Thanks for the links & pics, that 1up looks like some nice engineering.

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