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Old 11-19-2007, 05:30 PM   #7501
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dont go cheap on the rollers

Krietler is the way to go... i used to work at the manufacturing facility... purchased the tubing and saw alot of sets turned on the lathe. The key to smooth rollers is the balance of the tubing. Krietlers methods are unmatched... You can get the "fork stand" if you wish to use your rollers as "hands free" trainer...
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:35 PM   #7502
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Krietler is the way to go... i used to work at the manufacturing facility... purchased the tubing and saw alot of sets turned on the lathe. The key to smooth rollers is the balance of the tubing. Krietlers methods are unmatched... You can get the "fork stand" if you wish to use your rollers as "hands free" trainer...
Being a big Kreitler fan I have to disagree, there's a new roller king in town and here's a link -

http://www.insideride.com/index.php?...d=15&Itemid=36


Watch the many videos of how hese things work and you'll see how archaic regular rollers seem against them.


Definitely on my wish list.
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:36 PM   #7503
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Krietler is the way to go... i used to work at the manufacturing facility... purchased the tubing and saw alot of sets turned on the lathe. The key to smooth rollers is the balance of the tubing. Krietlers methods are unmatched... You can get the "fork stand" if you wish to use your rollers as "hands free" trainer...
I've always wanted a pair of Kreitlers, but the Tacx unit I have hasn't worn out yet! I got it for Christmas in about 1990...



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Old 11-19-2007, 05:38 PM   #7504
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I've always wanted a pair of Kreitlers, but the Tacx unit I have hasn't worn out yet! I got it for Christmas in about 1990...



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http://www.insideride.com/index.php?...d=15&Itemid=36

Kretiler's gota buy the rights to this design, or come out with another version (patent) somehow..

http://www.insideride.com/index.php?...d=64&Itemid=50
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:56 PM   #7505
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http://www.insideride.com/index.php?...d=15&Itemid=36

Kretiler's gota buy the rights to this design, or come out with another version (patent) somehow..

http://www.insideride.com/index.php?...d=64&Itemid=50
Too bad the price tag on them things is more'n most spend on their bicycles!

$800!!

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Old 11-19-2007, 06:01 PM   #7506
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Too bad the price tag on them things is more'n most spend on their bicycles!

$800!!

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Not in my neck of the woods.. I'd say the avg bike in my bike club is around 2500 and up..

Hey, Kreitler's are around 400 to 800 depending on the model and extras...those insiderides also have adjustable resistance built in.

Not bad really.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:28 AM   #7507
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Not in my neck of the woods.. I'd say the avg bike in my bike club is around 2500 and up..

Hey, Kreitler's are around 400 to 800 depending on the model and extras...those insiderides also have adjustable resistance built in.

Not bad really.
I don't have a bike club in my area, but I would guess the average bicycle cost in my small town is under $200.00. I only know of one other person who has spent more than me on a bicycle, and he used to own a bicycle shop that basically only fixed bikes.

I don't even make the $800.00 mark in the earlier post with multiple bicycles.
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:29 AM   #7508
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I don't have a bike club in my area, but I would guess the average bicycle cost in my small town is under $200.00. I only know of one other person who has spent more than me on a bicycle, and he used to own a bicycle shop that basically only fixed bikes.

I don't even make the $800.00 mark in the earlier post with multiple bicycles.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but I find that really hard to believe...

- you're telling me the avg bike (and I'm not talking department store fall apart after christmas bikes / children's huffy specials, etc) costs around 200$?

You can't even find a decent new entry level bike for under $500 to $800 (even listed in Bicycling magazine's buyer's guide) that I know of.

Is there a bicycle shop (LBS) in your area, the kind that sell bikes a messenger, wknd roadie, or Mtn biker would ride?
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:38 AM   #7509
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I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but I find that really hard to believe...

- you're telling me the avg bike (and I'm not talking department store fall apart after christmas bikes / children's huffy specials, etc) costs around 200$?

You can't even find a decent new entry level bike for under $500 to $800 (even listed in Bicycling magazine's buyer's guide) that I know of.

Is there a bicycle shop (LBS) in your area, the kind that sell bikes a messenger, wknd roadie, or Mtn biker would ride?
What I am saying is that 99% of the people that ride bicycles get them at a department store for less than $150 on a day to day basis. We live about an hour from a city that has bicycle shops and even though people go there quite often, very few if any even know what a bicycle shop is.

The only one people even know about is the TREK store, and I won't go back there unless a family member needs something that I MUST get at that TREK store.

I live in a town of about 6000 people and there are very few people that I even see on the streets and we don't have any trails or anyplace for mountain bikes.

I know of a family that buys their kids new bikes at K-Mart about twice a year because the kids destroy them in about 6 months. He threw away about 10 bikes last year that were sitting in his back yard rusting away. He said he waits until they go on sale at K-Mart, or finds the same bike on-line and has it shipped to the house for less.

Most of the people don't ride the bikes enough to care about what shifter will last and when they break, they don't have anyone to take them to anymore. So, they sit and rust away and then head to the local land fill.
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:44 AM   #7510
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Above description fits the majority of the population who own bicycles in the US, that population also account for over 80% of bicycle unit sales annually.
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:59 AM   #7511
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Above description fits the majority of the population who own bicycles in the US, that population also account for over 80% of bicycle unit sales annually.
really?

http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/22618286

avg cost of road bicycle per unit is $806.78 in the US.

Total AVG. for all bikes in US & CANADA is $335.47, but that includes "youth bikes which avg $128 (but that's training wheel bikes which we're not talking about.

Unit sales counts kiddie bikes which of course are purchased more on average. Kids grow, the bikes are cheap shit that self destruct in 6 months anyway.

I thought we were talking about the bikes WE ride? And we were talking about the cost of them, not how many units are sold annually.


Here's a chart that stops 3 years ago =

Category2002 Retail $ (%)2003 Retail $2004 Retail $2004 Avg. Price
Mountain Front Susp.26.5626.2425.61$391.31
Comfort18.0314.4411.70$332.23
Road/700C16.4020.7928.32$1,152.68
Hybrid/Cross9.8912.8710.95$386.48
Mountain Full Susp.9.678.879.57$1,319.97
Freestyle5.564.423.78$226.36
Mountain No Susp.3.121.640.41$220.21
Youth 20"2.602.412.24$171.04
Youth 24"2.512.752.23$242.78
BMX1.981.380.97$204.67
Youth 19" and below1.761.721.36$126.72
Cruiser1.571.902.38$270.22


http://nbda.com/page.cfm?PageID=34
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:07 AM   #7512
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What I am saying is that 99% of the people that ride bicycles get them at a department store for less than $150 on a day to day basis. We live about an hour from a city that has bicycle shops and even though people go there quite often, very few if any even know what a bicycle shop is.

The only one people even know about is the TREK store, and I won't go back there unless a family member needs something that I MUST get at that TREK store.

I live in a town of about 6000 people and there are very few people that I even see on the streets and we don't have any trails or anyplace for mountain bikes.

I know of a family that buys their kids new bikes at K-Mart about twice a year because the kids destroy them in about 6 months. He threw away about 10 bikes last year that were sitting in his back yard rusting away. He said he waits until they go on sale at K-Mart, or finds the same bike on-line and has it shipped to the house for less.

Most of the people don't ride the bikes enough to care about what shifter will last and when they break, they don't have anyone to take them to anymore. So, they sit and rust away and then head to the local land fill.

Respectfully, I don't even consider a $150 department store bike, a bike that a bicyclist, roadie, messenger, mountain biker, tourer, club rider, commuter would even consider. And that goes for the bicyclists on this thread or on Fried Quads or Bike Forums.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:29 AM   #7513
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Respectfully, I don't even consider a $150 department store bike, a bike that a bicyclist, roadie, messenger, mountain biker, tourer, club rider, commuter would even consider. And that goes for the bicyclists on this thread or on Fried Quads or Bike Forums.
Looks to me that your consideration is rather narrow for the rest of the bicycle riding population.

The fact is that is majority of bicycles sold in the US are not sold to population that you consider to be cyclist, they are just people who consider bicycles as disposable items that are not worth fixing beyond $100.
Maybe in affluent urban area near NYC where average income is well above the poverty line, you have more exposure to expensive bicycle purchase, that could be what you base your considerations.
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Looks to me that your consideration is rather narrow for the rest of the bicycle riding population.

The fact is that is majority of bicycles sold in the US are not sold to population that you consider to be cyclist, they are just people who consider bicycles as disposable items that are not worth fixing beyond $100.
And we go back to your flat tire scenario

(what was it, "most people can't afford tire patch kits, or was it, most people don't have access to tire patch kits..")



Are those "consumers" on this thread, Bike Forums (BTW I've seen you there too) or Fried Quads....are they the one's who shop for bicycles in LBS's or on Bicycling Magazine's buyer's guide?

To be perfectly frank, who cares about a 5 year olds Walmart training bike in this conversation about how much a decent road bike costs?

You're a bicycle mechanic right, you work in an LBS, (or big one I dunno) why are we bringing disposable department store kiddie bikes into this picture anyway?
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Looks to me that your consideration is rather narrow for the rest of the bicycle riding population.

The fact is that is majority of bicycles sold in the US are not sold to population that you consider to be cyclist, they are just people who consider bicycles as disposable items that are not worth fixing beyond $100.
Maybe in affluent urban area near NYC where average income is well above the poverty line, you have more exposure to expensive bicycle purchase, that could be what you base your considerations.
Those links to actual avg prices per unit/ spread sheets - were taken from the whole of the US and Cananda, not urban areas only...

sounds like you're the one thinking too narrowly here.

Again, where in this conversation did it come up that we were talking about cyclist who consider them disposable items...?
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