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Old 09-16-2012, 07:33 PM   #24406
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the 610 is still in one piece after TRYING to finish the Berkshire Triple today. Wow! That's a hard ride! It was voted the hardest enduro in the east by Dirt bike magazine for a reason. We bailed at the halfway point (50+- miles in with 50 to go) and was happy to get to that point.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:22 PM   #24407
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Tank check valve - position and function - detailed ?s

I've been through hell this year with what I just discovered yesterday seems to have its root cause in the OE fuel tank check valve - the "green can". My problems have been with the pressure inside the tank flooding out the engine, not vacuum causing the float bowl to run dry. I misdiagnosed the situation as a repeatedly clogging pilot jet, but I finally put together a set of observations that point to an overfull float bowl.

So I'm planning to replace the stock check valve with a Free Flo inline check valve, or maybe the Moose swivel part if it turns out to be cheaper. Online pricing of these items is weird, so I'm just going to go to the dealer on Tuesday.

Question is, does the standard-style inline check valve need to be upright to work? Can it be horizontal or at a 45 degree angle and function properly? Instead of coming vertically off the top of the gas cap, our tank vent is at the front, aimed forward horizontally, so if the tank is fully topped up to start a long ride, any hard braking or steep descent will cause fuel to slosh out the vent line. If this little bit will cause the check valve to seal for an extended period of time, I'm still scrood, as the heat of the engine pressurizes the tank. It needs to vent.

Obviously, I'll run the vent hose in a big loop down and then back up to a level higher than the top of the tank. Any experience ditching the green can? Guesses on whether this loop will be enough?


I'm also going to add the 7602 vent filters. I did the canisterectomy, posting detailed pics here several months back, and stuck with the OE vent routing, adding a filter at the junction block. But I'm going to say scrooit all that and let this thing be a dirt bike.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:17 AM   #24408
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2009 fuel tank removal

Today I removed my tank for the first tank and got a gas bath when I seperated the quick disconnect.

Am I missing soomething or does the tank have to be empty before removal? I would think that you would be able to take off the tank on the trail if needed,,,,

I shut off both petcocks and released the lower 90 degree fitting as shown in the manual.

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Old 09-17-2012, 05:49 AM   #24409
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Today I removed my tank for the first tank and got a gas bath when I seperated the quick disconnect.

Am I missing soomething or does the tank have to be empty before removal? I would think that you would be able to take off the tank on the trail if needed,,,,

I shut off both petcocks and released the lower 90 degree fitting as shown in the manual.

Thanks,

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It is best to drain the tank before removing the quick disconnects. My experience is that one of the disconnects (I think it's the red one) leaves the fuel flow from the tank open.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:40 AM   #24410
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the 610 is still in one piece after TRYING to finish the Berkshire Triple today. Wow! That's a hard ride! It was voted the hardest enduro in the east by Dirt bike magazine for a reason. We bailed at the halfway point (50+- miles in with 50 to go) and was happy to get to that point.
That is a HARD ride on an ENDURO bike much less a 300+lb TE610. My hats off to you for doing 50 miles. As you know my daughter and I did the dual sport ride. I did the first moderate rated hero section on my 610 and I was cursing the organizer before I finished that 3 mile section! To honest the 610 can handle those ROCKY woods roads okay, but when the trails get tight and nasty, it's a workout. Nice ride Hugh. BTW, my daughter now has an new appreciation of what we do for fun! And, I'm really proud of her for riding some of the hardest trails in the NE as a pretty much noob trail rider.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:55 AM   #24411
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You do the trail ride?
Yep, the trail ride.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:00 AM   #24412
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That is a HARD ride on an ENDURO bike much less a 300+lb TE610. My hats off to you for doing 50 miles. As you know my daughter and I did the dual sport ride. I did the first moderate rated hero section on my 610 and I was cursing the organizer before I finished that 3 mile section! To honest the 610 can handle those ROCKY woods roads okay, but when the trails get tight and nasty, it's a workout. Nice ride Hugh. BTW, my daughter now has an new appreciation of what we do for fun! And, I'm really proud of her for riding some of the hardest trails in the NE as a pretty much noob trail rider.
Good for her! She seemed fearless laughing about how many times she dropped her bike. You should be very proud of her!
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:05 AM   #24413
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It is best to drain the tank before removing the quick disconnects. My experience is that one of the disconnects (I think it's the red one) leaves the fuel flow from the tank open.
I keep a set of vacuum hose line plugs around (look like little cones). Put a rag/paper towel under the fitting, and push in the cone quickly after disconnect. Minimal splash once you get the drill down.

On my IMS oversize tank (for a carb'd 610) I have 5 hose ends to disconnect. Plugs go into all of them to minimize drip, also to keep dirt out.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:03 AM   #24414
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Today I removed my tank for the first tank and got a gas bath when I seperated the quick disconnect.

Am I missing soomething or does the tank have to be empty before removal? I would think that you would be able to take off the tank on the trail if needed,,,,

I shut off both petcocks and released the lower 90 degree fitting as shown in the manual.

Thanks,

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I disconnect the inner connection (supply) at the tank ( I have updated this fitting after I broke it with a brass nipple tapped into the pump housing) and the outer return line at the lower connection (return) at the half way point. It doesnt leak on me at all doing it this way. I am assuming there is a check valve at that disconnect that stops the fuel.
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:03 AM   #24415
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I keep a set of vacuum hose line plugs around (look like little cones). Put a rag/paper towel under the fitting, and push in the cone quickly after disconnect. Minimal splash once you get the drill down.

On my IMS oversize tank (for a carb'd 610) I have 5 hose ends to disconnect. Plugs go into all of them to minimize drip, also to keep dirt out.
I close the crossover petcocks, take the hose off the left side and pull it to the right, then jamb that hose onto the leaky fitting. Usually I pull off the quick-connect and have my other index finger ready to cap it off, If you are expecting it you can get pretty quick at it and not spill. (much)
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:31 AM   #24416
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Mine only leaks what in in the fittings. I disconnect at the elbow that sits down close to the clutch housing and the other hose at the throttle body. Then just stand the tank up so it doesent run out the overflow. Never had to drain it.

On another note, I ordered the 8mm Goodridge Speedbleeders and the are way to small. I don't think the 10mm will be large enough either, looks like 12mm. Gonna keep looking around to see what I can find. Any ideas?
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:24 PM   #24417
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Thanks for the help!!

I appreciate the help, I'll grab some of the plugs and try all of the suggestions on in the shop..

I just got the bike and was taking it apart in the garage to make sure I was familiar with how things went together before the big ride this weekend.

I didn't want to be that guy who screwed it up for everyone else.

I'll stock up on the plugs and then I won't need them!

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Old 09-17-2012, 07:52 PM   #24418
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I have an 08 with FI so the routine to pull the tank is close the crossovers and pull the hose off the side you choose. Like the manual suggests, disconnect the 90 degree elbow first and swing it out of the way to get to the red disconnect which will have some pressure....sometime more than others..don't pull the outer (white) disconnect at the pump!!!

Anyway, the tank on and off routine is an ongoing thing right now with trying to get my TrailTech Vapor working right. My question goes out to those who have installed one. I posted awhile back with questions and read through the speedo thread. The speedo works fine off the stock cable and pickup. The tach is bouncing. I tried the recommended 5 wraps on the spark plug wire down to 1 wrap, no change. Moved the ground to battery, no luck. Isolated the pickup wire away from coil.....tank on and tank off....you know the drill....ideas anyone....

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Old 09-18-2012, 04:38 AM   #24419
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Note on putting the gas tank back on.....

..... If you put the one-way diaphragm valve on the vent hose the WRONG one-way, your bike will only run for about 3 minutes before starving for fuel....

Then you sit there like a tard fiddle fuking around for a few minutes....

... Then it will crank and ride for a few miles....

.. Then die again....

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Old 09-18-2012, 05:22 AM   #24420
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