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Old 12-20-2006, 09:31 PM   #76
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I have an emial into Kennedy. We'll see.

I have a direct phone cable coming tomorrow and will try that.

Meathead - might try to make Vortex tomorrow night - perhaps we can compare systems. I'd like to see you Beahr.
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Old 12-21-2006, 04:26 AM   #77
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I have an emial into Kennedy. We'll see.

I have a direct phone cable coming tomorrow and will try that.

Meathead - might try to make Vortex tomorrow night - perhaps we can compare systems. I'd like to see you Beahr.
Let me know how that goes, I'm very interested in it as well.
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:29 AM   #78
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I have an emial into Kennedy. We'll see.

I have a direct phone cable coming tomorrow and will try that.

Meathead - might try to make Vortex tomorrow night - perhaps we can compare systems. I'd like to see you Beahr.


I don't quite have the bike-to-bike all sorted out, and won't 'til after the first of the year, but the Zumo, phone, and radar detector are all wired in. Tonight's gonna be my first ride with it all hooked up, so maybe I'll have a better feel for it once I get down there.


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Let me know how that goes, I'm very interested in it as well.
What'choo wanna know, Phil. I know all about this electronic wizardry.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:11 AM   #79
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I have an emial into Kennedy. We'll see.

I have a direct phone cable coming tomorrow and will try that.

Meathead - might try to make Vortex tomorrow night - perhaps we can compare systems. I'd like to see you Beahr.
I found this on the BMWLT site:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17567


Zumo 550 Intercom Noise Fix
Problem: Have the Zumo 550 and could not use the bluetooth for a phone call due to noise and feedback through my intercom.
I have the Baehr K1200LT, but I have heard autocom has the same issue.
Fix: Requires 2.5 mm cable with input only. Buy one or simply modify your current that carries both the mic and speaker by cutting the speaker wire. See attached.
Why: The Zumo requires two cables to wire to an intercom and use a bluetooth cell phone -- a 3.5 mm for audio out (standard for any headphone) and a 2.5 mm for audio in (standard for most cell phones), EXCEPT that the standard 2.5 mm cable is two way -- audio in and audio out. Since the Zumo has audio out of another cable, you get the feedback.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:33 AM   #80
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Interesting Tex42 - this may be something. The symptoms you describe:

The Zumo requires two cables to wire to an intercom and use a bluetooth cell phone -- a 3.5 mm for audio out (standard for any headphone) and a 2.5 mm for audio in (standard for most cell phones), EXCEPT that the standard 2.5 mm cable is two way -- audio in and audio out. Since the Zumo has audio out of another cable, you get the feedback.

Seem to describe the problem exactly.

On the fix, I'm not sure what you mean:

Requires 2.5 mm cable with input only. Buy one or simply modify your current that carries both the mic and speaker by cutting the speaker wire. See attached.

Didn't see anything attached and having trouble understnading which of the two wires on the MIC jack to cut.

Thanks
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:50 AM   #81
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Interesting Tex42 - this may be something. The symptoms you describe:

The Zumo requires two cables to wire to an intercom and use a bluetooth cell phone -- a 3.5 mm for audio out (standard for any headphone) and a 2.5 mm for audio in (standard for most cell phones), EXCEPT that the standard 2.5 mm cable is two way -- audio in and audio out. Since the Zumo has audio out of another cable, you get the feedback.

Seem to describe the problem exactly.

On the fix, I'm not sure what you mean:

Requires 2.5 mm cable with input only. Buy one or simply modify your current that carries both the mic and speaker by cutting the speaker wire. See attached.

Didn't see anything attached and having trouble understnading which of the two wires on the MIC jack to cut.

Thanks
Don't have anything technical to add here but .......the Goldwing guys are all over the Zumo too. Suggest folks take a look at

http://www.goldwinggadgets.com/index.shtml - Jon sells Kennedy (cellset.com -also a Jon too) stuff and is an expert in integration. Lots of his wisdom in the http://www.gl1800riders.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=12 threads.

Cellset.com (Kennedy direct site) also has lots of tech drawings which give insight on how the other Jon plugs ZUMO in.

I have Kennedy bike to bike FRS/GMRS interface hooked into my sound/intercom system on my Goldwing and will integrate Zumo in 07.

Both of these guys are busy entrepreneus with small staffs. Jon at Cellset made me a special harness for my bike to bike and is a good guy when you can get hold of him.

Maybe if there is product you could define they would make it.
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:51 AM   #82
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I found this on the BMWLT site:

Zumo 550 Intercom Noise Fix
Problem: Have the Zumo 550 and could not use the bluetooth for a phone call due to noise and feedback through my intercom.
I have the Baehr K1200LT, but I have heard autocom has the same issue.
Fix: Requires 2.5 mm cable with input only. Buy one or simply modify your current that carries both the mic and speaker by cutting the speaker wire. See attached.
Why: The Zumo requires two cables to wire to an intercom and use a bluetooth cell phone -- a 3.5 mm for audio out (standard for any headphone) and a 2.5 mm for audio in (standard for most cell phones), EXCEPT that the standard 2.5 mm cable is two way -- audio in and audio out. Since the Zumo has audio out of another cable, you get the feedback.
That sounds like just how mine's set up. I haven't experienced any of the feedback when calling by Bluetooth, but have yet to call while actually riding, either. I'll do that tonight, and report any problems.
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:34 PM   #83
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Today's results

Got the RAZR cord for the Autocom and it worked perfectly. So I thought I woudl be clever and sync up to the Zumo and use it as a console, hopefully. Unfortunatly, as soon as I plug in the RAZR cable the bluetooth drops.

So, I'm wondering what to do.

I'm tempted, after over $100 in shipping charges, to send the whole thing back - hook back up my standard in ear speakers and use the scala.

Hopefully you will have better luck meathead tonight.
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Old 12-21-2006, 08:32 PM   #84
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Interesting Tex42 - this may be something. The symptoms you describe:

The Zumo requires two cables to wire to an intercom and use a bluetooth cell phone -- a 3.5 mm for audio out (standard for any headphone) and a 2.5 mm for audio in (standard for most cell phones), EXCEPT that the standard 2.5 mm cable is two way -- audio in and audio out. Since the Zumo has audio out of another cable, you get the feedback.

Seem to describe the problem exactly.

On the fix, I'm not sure what you mean:

Requires 2.5 mm cable with input only. Buy one or simply modify your current that carries both the mic and speaker by cutting the speaker wire. See attached.

Didn't see anything attached and having trouble understnading which of the two wires on the MIC jack to cut.

Thanks
I couldn't attach the drawing but there are actually three connections on the standard phone cable Ground (upper ring), speaker (ring), mic (tip). The speaker wire needs to be cut. If you go to the BMWLT.com site the url that I attached you can find the drawing under the GPS section.

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17567
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Old 12-22-2006, 01:28 AM   #85
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I'm wondering if painting the center pole of the 2.5 mic lead with nail polish or something similiar will effectively eliminate the speaker lead. Better yet, maybe a thin piece of hink shrink over the middle pole of the connector. This way you wouldn't have to cut your lead. Will be easier also. You wouldn't be able to constantly connect/disconnect this set up. The hintshrink would eventually wear out, but this should be a mostly permanant installing to the Zumo mount anyways. I'll try it today and report back.

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Old 12-22-2006, 03:29 AM   #86
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Got the RAZR cord for the Autocom and it worked perfectly. So I thought I woudl be clever and sync up to the Zumo and use it as a console, hopefully. Unfortunatly, as soon as I plug in the RAZR cable the bluetooth drops.

So, I'm wondering what to do.

I'm tempted, after over $100 in shipping charges, to send the whole thing back - hook back up my standard in ear speakers and use the scala.

Hopefully you will have better luck meathead tonight.
Ouch.

I'm sticking with my BT setup with my Starcom for the time being since I use XM and just avoid playing mp3's when I have the phone paired up.

The real solution is for Garmin to get it's head on straight and allow the zumo to have the same audio configuration as when it's in the auto mount when running in the bike mount. Then at least the phone audio is isolated via BT and all any BT interface should work with any intercom.
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Old 12-22-2006, 03:33 AM   #87
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I couldn't attach the drawing but there are actually three connections on the standard phone cable Ground (upper ring), speaker (ring), mic (tip). The speaker wire needs to be cut. If you go to the BMWLT.com site the url that I attached you can find the drawing under the GPS section.

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17567
I doubt if that cheat will work in all situations and intercoms. I'm still confused about the complaints about the poor audio quality via BT. I have the opposite problem, it's crystal clear and if anything too loud.
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Old 12-22-2006, 04:33 AM   #88
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I'm glad you guys have it all figured out. The more I read the more I get confused. Maybe if I had a Zumo in front of me it might make more sense. I was thinking of using the Autocom BT interface, but the two parts cost $250.00 - as much as my Autocom cost to begin with.... All I want to do is have my Zumo wired into the autocom and pair up my BT phone so I can see when a call is coming in.

Basically like this:
  • MP3 through the Autocom via the wired interface.
  • Directions through the Autocom via the wired interface.
  • Talk on the phone with the autocom connected to the Zumo with the audio wires.
  • Phone connect to the Zumo through BT.
Is this set up possible? If not what would you recommend?
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Old 12-22-2006, 05:10 AM   #89
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Got the RAZR cord for the Autocom and it worked perfectly. So I thought I woudl be clever and sync up to the Zumo and use it as a console, hopefully. Unfortunatly, as soon as I plug in the RAZR cable the bluetooth drops.

So, I'm wondering what to do.

I'm tempted, after over $100 in shipping charges, to send the whole thing back - hook back up my standard in ear speakers and use the scala.

Hopefully you will have better luck meathead tonight.
Mine worked just fine, 'cept I couldn't hear it above about 25 mph. The noise sensitivity and volume on the Baehr unit were both turned way down, and I didn't have the little screwdriver I needed to turn 'em up.

I did that when I got home, but won't know anything more 'til I head for Mr. Trademark's place this afternoon.
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Old 12-22-2006, 05:49 AM   #90
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Thought it was a great idea to use heatshrink on the 2.5 jack. Just realized that the jack will not fit through the hole with this, and it likely won't fit even with a coating of fingernail polish or similiar. Looks like altering the cable by cutting the speaker wire lead is the only way.

Sorry, motoshane.
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