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Old 08-18-2008, 11:10 PM   #271
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Thanks-- found it , shorted red wire going to main switch. Found it by wiggleing wire couplings.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:09 AM   #272
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XT owner again!!! 1986

Got a line on an 86 with 3k miles on it. It's been sitting with a full tank of gas for quite some time and the tank is totally rusted out. I took off the petcock valve and it's pretty much disintegrating the plastic parts of it.

So I've taken the tank to the car wash and high pressure was has taken most of the rust out of the tank. Is there a way to repair the old petcock valve, is it too rusty and should it just be replaced?

What is the best way to remove the remainder of the rust from inside of the tank? Any special additives to help with the rust? What other tanks can I put on an 86?

And since the petcock was left on and the old gas is red and smells like turpentine, what should be done first with the carbs?

Thanks for the input. I once again am about to ride an XT across Colorado.





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Old 08-21-2008, 01:03 AM   #273
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Well, I thought I would also check to see where I can get a copy of the 1986 manual, how much oil for an oil change?

What sprockets do you ride?

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Old 08-21-2008, 07:04 AM   #274
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Yikes, that's alot of rust! Most motorcycle shops should have a product called Kreem (sp?) that you can remove the rust with and then apply a coat to the inside so rust doesn't come back. There are mixed reviews about this but I used it for a while with no problems.

You can also use muriatic acid (for cleaning concrete). The stuff is nasty though, so be careful but it will eat up rust like it's nothing.
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:44 AM   #275
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you can also remove it by electrolysis

an friend did after I sent him a link on it

lessee if I can find something about it now

back soon

OK read this page

http://www.motorcycleanchor.com/moto..._tankrust.html

talks about POR-15 rust remover/coater
Yamaha's Fuel Tank Rust Remover ($14.95, Part Number ACC-FUELT-CD-KT)
and removing it by electrolysis

http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/ru..._derusting.htm

http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp



the electrolysis is faster than acid etching and easier than shaking a tank or sand, BB's and distilled water for hours

read up on it, it's pretty simple, but washing soda is NOT baking soda

"...
Washing soda should be in the laundry section of your grocery store. It comes in a yellow box, made by Arm & Hammer, but it's NOT baking soda. If you're interested, washing soda is Sodium Carbonate or "soda ash"(Na2CO3), baking soda is Sodium Bicarbonate (NaHCO3), and borax is Sodium Tetraborate Decahydrate (Na2B4O7*10H2O), all different chemical compounds.
If you can't find it locally, call Arm & Hammer at this number: 1-800-524-1328 - they should be able to tell you where the closest place is that you can find it.
Or try Soaps Gone Buy at:
http://www.soapsgonebuy.com/"

"...Want to make your own "laundry soda"? Take baking soda, spread it out onto a cookie sheet and bake it in the oven at a little over 300 degrees for an hour or so it will drive away a water and CO2 molecule thus making washing soda.
At temperatures above 300o Fahrenheit (149o Celsius), baking soda decomposes into sodium carbonate, water, and carbon dioxide.
2NaHCO3 -> Na2Co3 + H20 + CO2..."

Have Fun!!!

Oh, by the way DO NOT use a Stainless Steel Anode!!!!!!!!!!!

Stainless contains chromium which is released into the solution

BAD STUFF!!!!!

if the solution turns yellow vs reddish while working DO NOT GET IT ON YOU!!!!!

"...Dumping these on the ground or down the drain is illegal. The compounds can cause severe skin problems and ultimately, cancer. Hexavalent chromate is poisonous. These compounds are not excused from hazardous waste regulations where household wastes are. "

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Old 08-21-2008, 08:29 AM   #276
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Yikes, that's alot of rust! Most motorcycle shops should have a product called Kreem (sp?) that you can remove the rust with and then apply a coat to the inside so rust doesn't come back. There are mixed reviews about this but I used it for a while with no problems.
I've read of nothing but troubles with Kreem. It may work for a while, but if it goes bad, it's a real PITA to get the Kreem out. I'd go w/ xtphreak's suggestion of electrolysis & POR-15.

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Old 08-21-2008, 09:59 AM   #277
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I've read of nothing but troubles with Kreem. It may work for a while, but if it goes bad, it's a real PITA to get the Kreem out. I'd go w/ xtphreak's suggestion of electrolysis & POR-15.

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I've used Kreem over the decades several times with no problem other than several gallons of dirty phosphoric acid to dispose of

my XT600E is coated with it right now, been in there for 6 years and counting, no signs of degradation

that said, I will probably get the POR-15 kit with Kreem remover if it looks like it's coming loose.

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Old 08-21-2008, 10:48 AM   #278
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I've done the Creem stuff, acids, coatings, voodoo chants and ended up with a half assed job. The coatings let loose. I didn't get all the rust. It still had a leak after I sealed the hell out of the tank. Then I learned my lesson. I now take the tank down to the radiator shop and ask then to boil it out and re line it. About $60.00 for a very large tank. [7.5 Gallon] No fuss, no muss, and IF there is a failure, I can take it back for a re-do. I used to buy / sell Goldwings, old carb models. Most had set a while before I got them. The biggest headache / expense was going through the carbs. At the time, most shops wanted the value of the bike to rebuild the carbs. Made no sense to lay out for the carb rebuilds and have the tank contaminate them again. Boil 'em, seal 'em and ride. Petcocks are another issue. Replace every part in the region if you can. They will fail / collapse / leak / cause mental anguish if not addressed. Also check the tech bullitens on most of the tank sealants out there for DIY. Most state that they are deadly to the wrong user. Want that sitting around for your kid or dog to get into? Get out the yellow pages and make buddies with the guy at the radiator shop.


I made another thread while waiting for a response on this thread and got the above reply. Has anyone tried this radiator technique?

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Old 08-21-2008, 04:53 PM   #279
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As I said in your other thread - Clarke makes a plastic 4 gal tank (1.1 gal over stock), you will have to get a new petcock from a dealer as it uses the stock one.

I've been fighting my SR500 tank as one of the previous owners Kreem'd the tank and it has leaked after many years, so I bought the POR-15 kit, which didn't strip all the liner off (did a bang up job on the paint ), so I had to buy more stripper. still haven't finished it yet.

I'm thinking of putting the Clarke tank on next year and trying to turn the bike into more of an agressive adv bike for the backroads.

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Old 08-23-2008, 10:08 AM   #280
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Ok new issue, I need a carb rebuild kit. I have an 86 XT and can't seem to find anyone who makes a kit. Suggestions??? Maybe someone can read I think it's dutch?
http://cgi.ebay.at/XT600,-XT-600--Ke...ayphotohosting

Thanks in advance,

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http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/CARBU...AMAHA_C697.cfm
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:10 AM   #281
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Ok new issue, I need a carb rebuild kit. I have an 86 XT and can't seem to find anyone who makes a kit. Suggestions??? Maybe someone can read I think it's dutch?
http://cgi.ebay.at/XT600,-XT-600--Ke...ayphotohosting

Thanks in advance,

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http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/CARBU...AMAHA_C697.cfm
Try this. Otherwise, based off the Dutch auction, I'd try to locate someone who sells Keyster Carb Kits & give them that k-840yk number from the box in the picture to see if they can locate you one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAH...52848299QQrdZ1


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Old 08-24-2008, 12:14 AM   #282
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Just picked it up

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Got this for mrs ztaj, she's wanted one since she first saw one when they were released, (she had an xt125 @ the time)
Seems to go good, it's been rebuilt top to bottom, front to back by a retired mechanic although the tank could do with a tidy up, bit dented and scratched, still being run in on the trip home.
I've just done about 450 k's (280 odd miles) bringing it home in heavy rain at times and it seemed really easy to ride (small compared to my bike,DR 750)
I have a question, Where is the oil filler/level indicator, I've looked but can't see it in the obvious places.
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:51 AM   #283
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Couple of new links, hope they can supply...

http://www.siriusconinc.com/default.asp

http://www.cscpowersports.com/
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:43 PM   #284
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1984 XT 600. My question is can you remove the airbox with out removing the rear shock? Whats the secret. ..........thanks
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:01 PM   #285
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1984 XT 600. My question is can you remove the airbox with out removing the rear shock? Whats the secret. ..........thanks
Take all the sides of the airbox off and just wiggle it out, turn it sideways and stuff. It is definatly possible.
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