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Old 02-19-2013, 09:45 AM   #5686
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Well, I'm mostly a lurker on here because I don't have anything impressive. This Seiko has been my daily for about 7 years now:

I recently had the battery changed while on a trip, and the fuckers forgot to put the o-ring back in, so it got moisture inside.

I took the back off, and there is some rust colored grime on the surface of the movement and the battery was clearly shot. I've put the watch in a container of rice with the cover off to suck out all the moisture, but I'm wondering if I can clean the movement myself by dipping it in something? Or should I just take it to a repair facility? Or just buy a new one?

Could use some advice, thanks in advance
you can dip it in any non-conductive moisture displacement liquid. We used to use denatured alcohol in our engineering lab when I worked for an electron beam lithography company. Pretty flammable stuff, of course. Evaporated nicely to leave you not much to clean up.

might still be a goner though.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:25 AM   #5687
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one more drunk watch, coming up.

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you can dip it in any non-conductive moisture displacement liquid. We used to use denatured alcohol in our engineering lab when I worked for an electron beam lithography company. Pretty flammable stuff, of course. Evaporated nicely to leave you not much to clean up.

might still be a goner though.
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Could you share a few more thoughts on this alcohol 'drinking' watch--

All things equal,
Would you use this procedure with an operational battery installed or battery out? I am thinking out....

Would you turn the watch 'belly up to dry' or drain the alcohol, then face up to allow gravity to drain any excess, etc?
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:49 AM   #5688
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Could you share a few more thoughts on this alcohol 'drinking' watch--

All things equal,
Would you use this procedure with an operational battery installed or battery out? I am thinking out....

Would you turn the watch 'belly up to dry' or drain the alcohol, then face up to allow gravity to drain any excess, etc?
I would say remove battery...not because of the alcohol, but because of possible impurities.

I'd just dunk it in very pure solution of alcohol (e.g.: 99%). We had acetone sitting around too for cleaning flux off the board. We'd get the stuff from our chem suppliers. Not sure about the OTC stuff...might not be pure enough. The alcohol tends to displace the moisture. And then when you take it out, most of the alcohol drips off, and that which doesn't evaporates, leaving you a rapidly dried piece of electronics. Come to think of it, I can recall several times when my dad had random electronics sitting in a glass jar filled with liquid, and I suspect that's what he was doing. Old dog from bell labs, he was.

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Old 02-19-2013, 11:37 AM   #5689
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I would say remove battery...not because of the alcohol, but because of possible impurities.

I'd just dunk it in very pure solution of alcohol (e.g.: 99%). We had acetone sitting around too for cleaning flux off the board. We'd get the stuff from our chem suppliers. Not sure about the OTC stuff...might not be pure enough. The alcohol tends to displace the moisture. And then when you take it out, most of the alcohol drips off, and that which doesn't evaporates, leaving you a rapidly dried piece of electronics. Come to think of it, I can recall several times when my dad had random electronics sitting in a glass jar filled with liquid, and I suspect that's what he was doing. Old dog from bell labs, he was.


Slightly off topic. shrug.
Makes me wonder how well your suggestion might work on a drowned cell
phone. I think I will give it go the next time, rather than the solar dying, followed by the heave-ho.

I suspect it will not be good for the screen/graphics.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:01 PM   #5690
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Would it be necessary to remove the stem and crown? I just want to make sure the face and arms wouldn't be harmed by doing this, otherwise I'm going to give it a try.

Finding a replair place in NYC that will fix it will likely cost more than replacing it.

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you can dip it in any non-conductive moisture displacement liquid. We used to use denatured alcohol in our engineering lab when I worked for an electron beam lithography company. Pretty flammable stuff, of course. Evaporated nicely to leave you not much to clean up.

might still be a goner though.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:14 PM   #5691
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Would it be necessary to remove the stem and crown? I just want to make sure the face and arms wouldn't be harmed by doing this, otherwise I'm going to give it a try.

Finding a replair place in NYC that will fix it will likely cost more than replacing it.
I can't say what it'd do to the lume/finish. Arguably alcohol could do a number on certain varnishes. And lume is definitely hydroscopic. I was imagining a partial disassembly and re-mounting of hands would be in order, if the cosmetics were of importance. I know if it were me, I'd just say screw it, and dunk it it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:55 PM   #5692
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So I finally get my Breitling back from JD Watchworks...

After about 7 months in their shop.

It's still fucked up. I'm beyond pissed, but have decided that since it's only the GMT hand that is fucked, and the watch is keeping really good time otherwise, I'm just going to wear the SOB, then after a while, send it to the mothership in CT for another service.

I hate to think what another trip to the San Francisco Spa will do to it.

On the plus size, it arrived polished to new condition, so it looks terrific!
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:31 PM   #5693
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Would it be necessary to remove the stem and crown? I just want to make sure the face and arms wouldn't be harmed by doing this, otherwise I'm going to give it a try.

Finding a replair place in NYC that will fix it will likely cost more than replacing it.
My mil watch got wet when the back was removed and not re-installed with a sealant.
I removed the back myself and dried the watch for a couple weeks behind the wood stove.

Then I replaced the battery and it ran.

So replace the battery and see if it runs with rhe back off, if it doesn't I'd send it off to Seiko for repair.

http://www.seikowatches.com/support/customer/index.html
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:31 PM   #5694
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you can dip it in any non-conductive moisture displacement liquid. We used to use denatured alcohol in our engineering lab when I worked for an electron beam lithography company. Pretty flammable stuff, of course. Evaporated nicely to leave you not much to clean up.

might still be a goner though.
That will also remove all of the lubricant in the watch. Even in a quartz watch there are a lot of places that need to be lubed. No way would I "dry" my watch like this!
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:54 PM   #5695
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That will also remove all of the lubricant in the watch. Even in a quartz watch there are a lot of places that need to be lubed. No way would I "dry" my watch like this!
http://www.squireswatches.com/Questi...20HANDLING.htm


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Old 02-19-2013, 07:03 PM   #5696
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That will also remove all of the lubricant in the watch. Even in a quartz watch there are a lot of places that need to be lubed. No way would I "dry" my watch like this!
That's true, I wasn't thinking about that. All that lube would certainly go bye bye. I've done the toaster oven in the past on an automatic that got wet, and various cell phones and stuff with somewhat decent results. I also tried going to the craft store and getting one of those big flower-drying tubs of dessicant. Not quite as fast as dunking in denatured alcohol... But successful. The only thing I've applied alcohol to was straight up circuit boards.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:09 PM   #5697
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After about 7 months in their shop.

It's still fucked up. I'm beyond pissed, but have decided that since it's only the GMT hand that is fucked, and the watch is keeping really good time otherwise, I'm just going to wear the SOB, then after a while, send it to the mothership in CT for another service.

I hate to think what another trip to the San Francisco Spa will do to it.

On the plus size, it arrived polished to new condition, so it looks terrific!
My Dad sent a Breitling in for service (I'm not sure where) and it came back fucked up. Basically he sent it in for a battery replacement and they did that. Then they did a "pressure test" which involved some kind of dunking. Surprise, it failed the pressure test because they positioned the seal(s) incorrectly and needed $$$$ in repairs, was never the same after that. They also polished the body -- oops, it used to have a satin finish, sorry about that.

Where is the "mothership" for service?
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:26 PM   #5698
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My Dad sent a Breitling in for service (I'm not sure where) and it came back fucked up. Basically he sent it in for a battery replacement and they did that. Then they did a "pressure test" which involved some kind of dunking. Surprise, it failed the pressure test because they positioned the seal(s) incorrectly and needed $$$$ in repairs, was never the same after that. They also polished the body -- oops, it used to have a satin finish, sorry about that.

Where is the "mothership" for service?
Connectectuut....That's Breitling USA.

This is my first bad experience, I've had another Breitling for 20 years with no service issues.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:39 PM   #5699
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After about 7 months in their shop.

It's still fucked up. I'm beyond pissed, but have decided that since it's only the GMT hand that is fucked, and the watch is keeping really good time otherwise, I'm just going to wear the SOB, then after a while, send it to the mothership in CT for another service.

I hate to think what another trip to the San Francisco Spa will do to it.

On the plus size, it arrived polished to new condition, so it looks terrific!

Never put up with poor service. Raise a stink. Or get your money back.
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My Dad sent a Breitling in for service (I'm not sure where) and it came back fucked up. Basically he sent it in for a battery replacement and they did that. Then they did a "pressure test" which involved some kind of dunking. Surprise, it failed the pressure test because they positioned the seal(s) incorrectly and needed $$$$ in repairs, was never the same after that. They also polished the body -- oops, it used to have a satin finish, sorry about that.
I sent a ca 1980 Heuer Quartz Divers to the official Tag Heuer service locally for a battery and service back in the 90s. The did it and also converted the screw down crown to non-screw down ie push type. When I 'raised' this with them, they stated that the watch was never a screw down type. The customer is always wrong and the service centre always right!!! Never again.
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