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Old 10-13-2011, 03:30 PM   #3466
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:34 PM   #3467
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Just talked to Rekluse- they're going to warranty the part.

Here's an interesting tidbit about cush hub, etc.

The stock clutch has a bit of dampening built in, but the Rekluse does not.
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:36 PM   #3468
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Here's an interesting tidbit about cush hub, etc.

The stock clutch has a bit of dampening built in, but the Rekluse does not.
I would think the very nature of the clamping mechanism of the Rekluse provides a good bit of damping! The Rekluse applies the power much more smoothly than I ever could!
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:39 PM   #3469
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I would think the very nature of the clamping mechanism of the Rekluse provides a good bit of damping! The Rekluse applies the power much more smoothly than I ever could!
Yeah- that's what I thought. But it ain't so. I suppose it's all in the setup- mine comes on hard and fast. Maybe a little too much of both. Throttle moderation might help, though.
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:42 PM   #3470
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I suppose it's all in the setup- mine comes on hard and fast.
Bingo. I've got mine set to engage gently. One can also start off in 2nd gear if you want to keep the more aggressive engagement setting.
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:54 PM   #3471
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I would think the very nature of the clamping mechanism of the Rekluse provides a good bit of damping! The Rekluse applies the power much more smoothly than I ever could!
No, once it's engaged, it's locked up just like a normal clutch, no slip. There's no damping going on; if the engagement is smooth, it's just like slipping your stock clutch manually. Totally different thing from a cush damper.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:24 AM   #3472
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so does that make it a good thing or a bad thing to run a cush hub with a Rekluse clutch?

I'm thinking of running one to make up for my wonky right foot, opinions?
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:27 AM   #3473
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I haven't run one with a Rekluse but I see absolutely no reason it would not be a good thing!
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:30 AM   #3474
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:35 AM   #3475
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No, once it's engaged, it's locked up just like a normal clutch, no slip. There's no damping going on; if the engagement is smooth, it's just like slipping your stock clutch manually. Totally different thing from a cush damper.
Far be it from me to disagree with an engineer- regardless of AT&SF, AMTRAK or B&O but I think it does share some similarities- the effects are the same.

All a dampener does is reduce shock to the driveline. That shock requires energy from the motor, and some sort of resistance from the driveline- typically in our case, it's traction.

If power is applied to a slack driveline with lots of traction, that force is similar to an impact- think of bungee jumping vs. tying steel cables to your ankles. You still fall the same amount, and you still weigh the same, but the energy is dispersed differently.

A cush hub uses rubber blocks to dampen the shock to the driveline. A stock clutch also has some dampening built in. But a Rekluse set up agressively has little dampening effect.

Yondering and I agree (I hope) that while technically speaking a clutch (of any sort) is not dampening, it will have a similar effect- the bungee vs the steel cable.

I see no reason NOT to run a Rekluse and a cush hub. Had I a cush hub, I'd certainly run it.

My problem is I've very ham-fisted with my bike, and the constant forceful application and removal of power has its obvious effects.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:55 AM   #3476
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A stock clutch also has some dampening built in. But a Rekluse set up agressively has little dampening effect.
I can't see how the stock clutch offers any kind of damping, unless your clutch was toast and slipping.

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so does that make it a good thing or a bad thing to run a cush hub with a Rekluse clutch?

I'm thinking of running one to make up for my wonky right foot, opinions?
Mike, you probably already have a damped hub on the back of your 525 (I'm assuming that since it was a rally build). It doesn't matter if you have a damped hub or not with an auto clutch. I would just run what you have.

The Rekluse is really great, and I am a big fan of auto clutches, and have had both the Rekluse Pro in the 640 and a Dyna Ring in the 525 (although I took it out for ice riding, as it can be a little hard on the clutch since there is soooo much traction). If your right foot is the issue, I would recommend the Rekluse Pro, and go with the LHRB. I probably will do it myself in the spring when I reinstall it.

Is the tat on your right calf broken bones? I saw a picture of you in the Hino and that's what it looks like to me.
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:23 AM   #3477
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Mike, you probably already have a damped hub on the back of your 525 (I'm assuming that since it was a rally build). It doesn't matter if you have a damped hub or not with an auto clutch. I would just run what you have.

The Rekluse is really great, and I am a big fan of auto clutches, and have had both the Rekluse Pro in the 640 and a Dyna Ring in the 525 (although I took it out for ice riding, as it can be a little hard on the clutch since there is soooo much traction). If your right foot is the issue, I would recommend the Rekluse Pro, and go with the LHRB. I probably will do it myself in the spring when I reinstall it.

Is the tat on your right calf broken bones? I saw a picture of you in the Hino and that's what it looks like to me.
yeah Brian I've got 2 cush hub wheels and the original non cush wheel too so I'm definitely covered there. I'll stick to the cush for the little extra bit of comfort and yes the tat is the xray from the first time I broke it. One of the complications resulted in not being able to point that foot worth a damn so my rear braking ability suffers. I'll PM you in a bit to discuss what you were doing with yours.

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Old 10-14-2011, 10:58 AM   #3478
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yeah Brian I've got 2 cush hub wheels and the original non cush wheel too so I'm definitely covered there. I'll stick to the cush for the little extra bit of comfort and yes the tat is the xray from the first time I broke it. One of the complications resulted in not being able to point that foot worth a damn so my rear braking ability suffers. I'll PM you in a bit to discuss what you were doing with yours.

thanks for the tips

Nothing wrong with my foot/ leg, I just ride better with an auto clutch, and it feels like it is easier on the bike as well. A friend of mine wants to set his brakes up the same way they are on his downhill MTB, then he'd have that much more control.

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Old 10-14-2011, 03:29 PM   #3479
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I can't see how the stock clutch offers any kind of damping, unless your clutch was toast and slipping.

This.

The clutch itself (stock or Rekluse) does not dampen anything, unless it's slipping. If the clutch is slipping all the time, you're doing it wrong. Once the clutch is engaged, there is no damping effect. A cush hub dampens vibrations all the time.

Some clutch hubs (like in cars) have damping mechanisms, but that is separate from the clutch itself.
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Old 10-20-2011, 05:22 PM   #3480
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Damper.

Not Dampener; it doesn't make things wet.

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