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Old 01-15-2013, 08:53 PM   #5881
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The new, Ninja 300 is fuel injected.



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That's right. And it's supposed to sport improved fuel economy over the 2008+ version too. I think I could have fun on this bike. Problem is - I already have 6 bikes in my girlfriend's garage. Not sure how I'd be able to shoehorn another one in there....

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Old 01-15-2013, 09:00 PM   #5882
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That's right. And it's supposed to sport improved fuel economy over the 2008+ version too. I think I could have fun on this bike. Problem is - I already have 6 bikes in my girlfriend's garage. Not sure how I'd be able to shoehorn another one in there....

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Old 01-16-2013, 05:01 AM   #5883
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I think the new 300 has a broad power band, as many riders complained about the peaky power on the 250 bikes.
Hard to live with in the city.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:19 AM   #5884
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The cbr felt like the gw250 to me...too cramped.
It's nice to be able to get to the show, and see nearly all there is to see in one spot. My daughter and I went three years ago, so she could sit on the one's she had interest in, on upgrading from a baby nina. She's 5' even, so it's "slim pickins" for her. We also went to Americade two years ago, and there wasn't a single bike she felt comfortable on to test ride, other than the Can Am trike. She did exit the 250 club with something she had lowered, and had the seat shaved by a local upholsterer, who took pictures of her on it to decide how to best go about it.
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:55 AM   #5885
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Klay:

What was your impression of the overall build quality of the GW?

From a styling viewpoint I prefer the TU; however the GW has a few features I like (e.g. disk brakes front and rear, tubeless tires) but I admit to having some concerns about a built in China machine.

I assume there was no price given for the GW(?)

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Old 01-16-2013, 08:52 AM   #5886
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I'm not concerned about the build quality of the GW250 based on what I could see. It looked really good.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:02 PM   #5887
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Klay:

What was your impression of the overall build quality of the GW?

From a styling viewpoint I prefer the TU; however the GW has a few features I like (e.g. disk brakes front and rear, tubeless tires) but I admit to having some concerns about a built in China machine.

I assume there was no price given for the GW(?)

Thank you.

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There's gonna come a time when almost everything will be built in china.......I've already gotten used to most of the basic household items being chinese made junk. We live in a cold climate, and use electric heaters to supplement our propane and keep the gas bill down......we've had to return so many different chinese brands and types of heaters, from so many different stores, its beyond ludicrous. And thats just one area of many I've dealt with anymore involving pure chinese crap. Its almost impossible to find ANYTHING not made in china besides some motorized vehicles, when they start making the bulk of our motorcycles as well, I'll go back to mountian biking for my 2 wheeled fun

China pretty much has the world by the short hairs anymore, and they've really taken the overall quality of products down the shitter
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:09 PM   #5888
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I assume there was no price given for the GW(?)

Thank you.

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Oh, yes, I forgot to say, the price hasn't been announced yet.

I wouldn't worry about the level of quality at all...generally Japanese companies that source parts or vehicles in China have them built to Japanese standards.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:46 PM   #5889
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I think China will build any quality you want.
Its American companies that want to sell an electric heater for $10.00, with Wall Mart leading the way, demanding low prices.
90% of people seem to shop by price only.

The Japanese can build great cars in the US, so they can build great bikes in China.
My 2005 Acura TL was built in Ohio, and has not had a SINGLE problem, not a rattle, not a bulb out.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:54 PM   #5890
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When German and Austrian companies moved engine assembly to China, and are still producing engines at the same level of quality that they have been for a long time, NJ-Brett was proven correct. China is more than capable of producing high quality items, if consumers are willing to pay.

I would not hesitate to buy an engine assembled or manufactured in China, nor a bike made in China, IF it's a higher quality item, from a known manufacturer, and with a decent warranty. Sure, there is a bunch of crap rolling out of there, but there is some stuff that rivals any where else also.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:40 PM   #5891
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I believe folks who ride smaller cc bikes definetly take alot of BS from the bike community in general.As for China built items. They can build stuff to the Business' spec's.But,if the price goes up,where is the rest of that money going to.....communist military perhaps.Business, in general, hopefully wakes up and realizes that without jobs in the U.S.,who will buy the China made stuff?. China is backing itself into a dependence corner.Buy made in America whenever possible,support an American family.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:33 PM   #5892
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When German and Austrian companies moved engine assembly to China, and are still producing engines at the same level of quality that they have been for a long time, NJ-Brett was proven correct. China is more than capable of producing high quality items, if consumers are willing to pay.

I would not hesitate to buy an engine assembled or manufactured in China, nor a bike made in China, IF it's a higher quality item, from a known manufacturer, and with a decent warranty. Sure, there is a bunch of crap rolling out of there, but there is some stuff that rivals any where else also.
I worked for a company who was a "technology enabeler" to china, before I completely retired. Companies like BMW have engineers on site in china with big goddam whips to insure quality of the product they buy....when they turn their back, those chinese companies will make crap. Too many companies out there who buy from the "low cost provider" aren't smart enough to have on-site quality control folks that hold vendors' feet to the fire.....chinese and otherwise
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:37 PM   #5893
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It's nice to be able to get to the show, and see nearly all there is to see in one spot. My daughter and I went three years ago, so she could sit on the one's she had interest in, on upgrading from a baby nina. She's 5' even, so it's "slim pickins" for her. We also went to Americade two years ago, and there wasn't a single bike she felt comfortable on to test ride, other than the Can Am trike. She did exit the 250 club with something she had lowered, and had the seat shaved by a local upholsterer, who took pictures of her on it to decide how to best go about it.
Have you looked at the india built KTM 390 duke? $$$..probably damn fast.....however, I don't like KTM as a company...or Austria as a country...but that's another story
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:46 PM   #5894
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I worked for a company who was a "technology enabeler" to china, before I completely retired. Companies like BMW have engineers on site in china with big goddam whips to insure quality of the product they buy....when they turn their back, those chinese companies will make crap. Too many companies out there who buy from the "low cost provider" aren't smart enough to have on-site quality control folks that hold vendors' feet to the fire.....chinese and otherwise
I agree......overall quality has went down on everything. Things in general just aren't made as good as they used to be. And paying more now doesn't always mean better quality.
Its the age of cheap crap. And I think its just going to continue getting worse
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:02 PM   #5895
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I think that is true mostly, and why I love my TU250, fantastic quality even though its a budget bike.
The motor even has cam bearings...very rare.
The only problem I ever heard about is speedometer cables breaking from water getting inside.
I have abused mine a lot and it just purrs.




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I agree......overall quality has went down on everything. Things in general just aren't made as good as they used to be. And paying more now doesn't always mean better quality.
Its the age of cheap crap. And I think its just going to continue getting worse
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