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Old 11-22-2009, 07:10 PM   #1696
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Currently the house for sale with its tiny 2 car garage with way too much crap in it. I've got the wife talked into a metal building possibly 5k sq.ft. with a house on one half and shop/play area on the other. So 2500 for house and 2500 shop including a basketball goal inside. Anyone already done something like this and got some feedback or having pics of something like this. Like Randy Hawkins place kinda LINK. Sounds like the ideal set-up and I have read a couple of posts in this thread of others thinking about doing it, but never seen any completed.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:08 PM   #1697
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I'm interested in more detail as well. I've been planning to insulate my doors with the same material.
It looks like you attached the hinges on top of the insulation.
I bought 4x8 sheets of this stuff at the building center



And measured & cut, just a straight edge and utility knife. The door panels have a bit of a lip on all 4 sides to slide up into. Since this is pretty rigid stuff, you have to compromise on how much you can get into the lip overhangs. I cut them so you could slide them up as far into the upper lip as possible, then just clear the lower lip pushing the piece in, then letting it drop down which still covered at the top. I used construction adhesive I think, maybe it was silicone, to help hold them in. Expanding foam window sealer stuff works well on the outside edges if you have bigger gaps there, but can look crappy if you don't get it in just right.





A sheet of this stuff at about 1.25" thickness is pretty light, but once you get the whole door done you've added some pretty good weight. I turned up the springs on my door tensioner some to compensate. Just this made a tremendous difference in the garage for temperature and sound deadening.
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:45 PM   #1698
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Yes, thanks ShadyRascal.
Our doors are already foam filled to a R9? rating. Would be nice if closer the R19 throughout the shop. The noise attenuation you mentioned is a big issue.
My metal shop doors face the houses of two bitchy neighbor ladies.

Appreciate the write up.
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:05 AM   #1699
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Currently the house for sale with its tiny 2 car garage with way too much crap in it. I've got the wife talked into a metal building possibly 5k sq.ft. with a house on one half and shop/play area on the other. So 2500 for house and 2500 shop including a basketball goal inside. Anyone already done something like this and got some feedback or having pics of something like this. Like Randy Hawkins place kinda LINK. Sounds like the ideal set-up and I have read a couple of posts in this thread of others thinking about doing it, but never seen any completed.
You might check out some of the aircraft hanger homes. We almost got one and had considered putting the home on a mezanine above the shop area.


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Old 11-23-2009, 02:15 PM   #1700
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Yep, Mike, now I won't be bumping my head unless I really try. I still have scars from hitting my head on the garage door braces in that crowded garage in Mass. Just no fun being 6' 6" tall in a world made for short people. The new ceilings are at 9' 8".

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Old 11-23-2009, 03:44 PM   #1701
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Warm (in the shop). We are at 5280 ft. elevation so it does get brisk here, but there's very little snow and it's sunny nearly all the time. When there's problems on the roads to the north we travel south and ride southern NM and Tucson and into Old Mexico. Genuine year round riding.
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:40 PM   #1702
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That's gonna be a nice sized garage/shop. Looks like some high ceilings. Insulating it?
It will be insulated to hold in the heat from the radiant heat in the floor. Probably will use that blown in newspaper stuff. If anyone has any other suggestions on the insulation I'm

24 x 36, 9' ceiling downstairs with a bar/opium den upstairs.

This showed up today

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Old 11-24-2009, 07:07 PM   #1703
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It will be insulated to hold in the heat from the radiant heat in the floor. Probably will use that blown in newspaper stuff. If anyone has any other suggestions on the insulation I'm
It seems that the big emphasis these days is in making the structure as airtight as possible (witness the rise in the importance of a blower-door test). To that end I don't know a better product for insulating than sprayed-in foam.
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:24 PM   #1704
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It will be insulated to hold in the heat from the radiant heat in the floor. Probably will use that blown in newspaper stuff. If anyone has any other suggestions on the insulation I'm
I also use radiant floor heating in a northern climate. It is easy to regulate, and obviously very clean.

Just make sure that you properly fill the system with anti-freeze (non the automotive type) in case the heater fails and you don't freeze the line(s) embedded in the concrete floor, pressurize the system correctly with a self-venting manifold system to bleed off any air bubbles and pre-heat BEFORE it gets cold outside. You will be very happy with its performance if properly sized and installed. Good luck.

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Old 11-25-2009, 02:14 AM   #1705
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It seems that the big emphasis these days is in making the structure as airtight as possible (witness the rise in the importance of a blower-door test). To that end I don't know a better product for insulating than sprayed-in foam.
I considered that. I liked the fact that it also adds some structural rigidity. But it was to pricey for my budget.
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Old 11-25-2009, 02:19 AM   #1706
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It will be insulated to hold in the heat from the radiant heat in the floor. Probably will use that blown in newspaper stuff. If anyone has any other suggestions on the insulation I'm

24 x 36, 9' ceiling downstairs with a bar/opium den upstairs.

This showed up today

Nice. Will the beam be exposed so you can get a trolly for it? Would be cool to have two beams with trollies and a cross beam with another trolly and hoist. Move heavy loads anywhere in the shop. Thats something I was thinking about doing, but the shape of my building makes it tough to do.
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Old 11-25-2009, 02:36 AM   #1707
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I considered that. I liked the fact that it also adds some structural rigidity. But it was to pricey for my budget.
I don't know how it would work in New York, but our new place will have 2" of spray foam in the living areas and 1" in the garage (2" gives an R-21 equivalent when the airtightness is factored in). My point being if you don't have to fill the walls completely with spray foam it might fit the budget. Cellulose is the best way to go in the ceiling, low installation costs and very effective. In any case, sealing the air leaks gives you big gains, regardless of the insulation you use.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:13 AM   #1708
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Nice. Will the beam be exposed so you can get a trolly for it? Would be cool to have two beams with trollies and a cross beam with another trolly and hoist. Move heavy loads anywhere in the shop. Thats something I was thinking about doing, but the shape of my building makes it tough to do.
I will be installing a trolley on my transverse beam. I have a unistrut with a powerstrut trolley--are there any better options out there?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:48 AM   #1709
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24 x 36, 9' ceiling downstairs with a bar/opium den upstairs.


/QUOTE]



You never see opium dens in garages anymore, I thought thought they had gone out of style.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:52 AM   #1710
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It will be insulated to hold in the heat from the radiant heat in the floor. Probably will use that blown in newspaper stuff. If anyone has any other suggestions on the insulation I'm

24 x 36, 9' ceiling downstairs with a bar/opium den upstairs.

This showed up today

Very nice setup there. Are those 4x4's the only thing holding up the I beam? I would guess it would need more.
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