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Old 11-16-2013, 12:15 AM   #5611
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Barring incomplete burn, the byproducts of burning propane are carbon dioxide and water. Same as what we humans emit while breathing.
are you sure thats not carbon monoxide?
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:54 AM   #5612
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are you sure thats not carbon monoxide?
Absolutely positive.

If there's an incomplete burn of propane however, it can produce carbon monoxide. An incomplete burn would be caused by either too rich or too lean a mixture.

Propane and natural gas stoves/ovens/ranges have been used in millions of kitchens for decades -- none of those are vented.
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:25 AM   #5613
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BUT . . . if you are using it in a confined space it can lower the oxygen level (not that you would suffocate), but it can lower it enough that you start getting that incomplete burn and carbon monoxide becomes a threat. I assume this is what you are referring to. I don't know how much of a real world threat it is, i.e. how many people have ever died due to a propane heater versus others. But I don't think it would hurt to have a CO detector if the heater itself doesn't have a low O2 sensor. Venting can help alleviate the loss of oxygen, but if it is a larger space it may not be needed.I know I personally won't let my propane tent heater run all night when camping with my son, even though the tent vents and the heater has a low oxygen sensor. But others do it regularly.
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:02 AM   #5614
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BUT . . . if you are using it in a confined space it can lower the oxygen level (not that you would suffocate), but it can lower it enough that you start getting that incomplete burn and carbon monoxide becomes a threat. I assume this is what you are referring to. I don't know how much of a real world threat it is, i.e. how many people have ever died due to a propane heater versus others. But I don't think it would hurt to have a CO detector if the heater itself doesn't have a low O2 sensor. Venting can help alleviate the loss of oxygen, but if it is a larger space it may not be needed.I know I personally won't let my propane tent heater run all night when camping with my son, even though the tent vents and the heater has a low oxygen sensor. But others do it regularly.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:33 AM   #5615
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:11 AM   #5616
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^So, why's there a tool rollaway in there?
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:29 AM   #5617
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1st thing I saw were the TWO reel-to-reels.
I couldn't have a garage like that, I'd never see the wife and kids.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:58 AM   #5618
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I couldn't have a garage like that, I'd never see the wife and kids.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:19 AM   #5619
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^So, why's there a tool rollaway in there?
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:25 AM   #5620
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1st thing I saw were the TWO reel-to-reels.
I couldn't have a garage like that, I'd never see the wife and kids.
Pioneer RT 707s
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This is an old pic, now have 2 of the CT F1000's as well.
Additionally, a Technics SL 1600 turntable.
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All vintage '78 and restored.

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Old 11-16-2013, 12:16 PM   #5621
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Lose the Cardinal banner and that would be one fine garage!
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Old 11-16-2013, 01:12 PM   #5622
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Lose the Cardinal banner and that would be one fine garage!
LOL...underneath the Cardinal banner are two others...
Green Bay Packers and Boston Celtics...

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Old 11-16-2013, 04:46 PM   #5623
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LOL...underneath the Cardinal banner are two others...
Green Bay Packers and Boston Celtics...

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Old 11-16-2013, 05:16 PM   #5624
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Did a little cleaning for the upcoming winter.. now have room to park the car inside before snowfall

Moved a lot of the items out to the barn and keeping that organized so can do some wrenching out there.. for when it's too cold I work inside :)

Before.. quite a few of the items making the pile up were bought to help organize




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When spring rolls around I picked up that epoxy flooring stuff and will be putting that down.


"Winter Workshop" from last winter
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:16 PM   #5625
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Absolutely positive.

If there's an incomplete burn of propane however, it can produce carbon monoxide. An incomplete burn would be caused by either too rich or too lean a mixture.

Propane and natural gas stoves/ovens/ranges have been used in millions of kitchens for decades -- none of those are vented.

Forget about the fumes. That's a clear and dangerous fire and ignition hazard!
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