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Old 04-29-2013, 11:53 AM   #11071
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Hey, I represent that

Not necessarily a bad thing. I used to race mountain bikes and there was a guy on my team who had a similar build (well granted a little slimmer). Turned into a decent rider. We referred to him as "The Plow" or "Taco" he used to bend wheels like crazy until he custom built a set that were a little, uhmm more robust
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:18 PM   #11072
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Those bicycles are as expensive as a dirt bike with an engine! Why is that?

Makes me appreciate the value we get in motorcycles.
Status factor. it's a never ending game of new and more trick crap coming out year after year. I used to play that game, custom made frames, titanium running gear, blah, blah. This was back when a grand for a bike was pretty over the top. I wised up eventually and spent less, trained more and rode better. Then mountain bikes happened and that evolved into starting at the top and zooming down on full suspension which is what happened to XC skiing---zooming down is more fun that sweatiing up. And I got into motorcycles and just got off the whole bicycle treadmill. Still have an old cross bike with all the trick bits of it's time...rode it up the barely perceptible grade on my street the other day and about died...
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:28 PM   #11073
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It's because bicycle maufacturers have figured out that most riders today aren't willing to lose 1lb of body fat, but they are willing to pay $$$ to shed 1 gram of bike weight.

You see a lot of this these days
foreward: I'm in no way taking your post personally - I'm just entering the discussion on "why good bikes cost so much" - since it was my bike for sale that triggered the question

That's my twin in the photo... no doubt Ben, but I disagree with your photo choice.
That guy is out there, getting off the sofa, and trying to lose weight. Good for him!
If he has stuck with it, I'd love to see what he looks like now.
I can't believe how fast I'm losing weight by peddling my arse off
(literally? ).

Perhaps a photo of a bicycle sitting in the garage covered in dust would be more appropriate (or parked in front of starbucks in boulder ).

There is a huge difference in how fun it is to bomb down the mountain with a great bike vs. an average bike.
We had so much fun in the Hall Ranch rock garden yesterday thanks to the great suspension setups our Yetis have.
Turns out my Yeti 575 frame is a bit too big for me (who would have thought I'd ride a medium size? )
.. but I am in fact buying another Yeti because they are incredible fun to ride and they work remarkably well!

I don't know what type of bike you have Ben, but we are headed to Heil Ranch tonight after work if you want to join us
If you don't have a really good bike, we have a few to choose from that should fit you so you can try the difference; just give me a call first so we bring 'em.
If you do have a bike, be sure and bring a headlamp!

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Old 04-29-2013, 12:55 PM   #11074
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It's because bicycle maufacturers have figured out that most riders today aren't willing to lose 1lb of body fat, but they are willing to pay $$$ to shed 1 gram of bike weight.
At least he's out there getting it....

I don't agree that loosing weight off the rider is the same as loosing weight off the bike/moto. Being leaner will help, but a lighter bike changes the handling characteristics. If you wieghed 300 lbs and were riding a 300 lb dirt bike, what would help you go faster on single track, loosing 30 lbs off your ass, or 30 lbs off your dirt bike? Probably depends on more factors than I'm taking into account, but for me the lighter bike would help in that instance.

It's hard to imagine spending a lot of money on a mountain bike until you get to ride one. They really are pretty damn awesome these days. That being said, I think they're over priced. The stupid components game the industry plays is even more frustrating.

Just my thoughts.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:06 PM   #11075
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It's hard to imagine spending a lot of money on a mountain bike until you get to ride one. They really are pretty damn awesome these days. .
Agreed. It could be compared to hopping off a XR250 and onto a 2013 KTM 500. I thought my $750 trek 29'r was an awesome bike then demo'd a trek fuel. Phew talk about knife to a gunfight.

They are stupid expensive when you get the awesome ones that change every year, but the same could be said about any enthusiast sport...
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:33 PM   #11076
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Neglected to mention that this is the regular height Sargent seat for the DR650, not the low-height version.



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Old 04-29-2013, 02:54 PM   #11077
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foreward: I'm in no way taking your post personally - I'm just entering the discussion on "why good bikes cost so much" - since it was my bike for sale that triggered the question
All well said.

The other point I'd make is that buying an expensive bike is very motivational toward using it- no way my investment is going to sit!

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Old 04-29-2013, 03:40 PM   #11078
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Those bicycles are as expensive as a dirt bike with an engine! Why is that?

Makes me appreciate the value we get in motorcycles.
Production volume and demand are the big players. Of course status and marketing play into it for some people too.

I've ridden/owned some seriously high end bikes in my time, but a few years ago came to the realization that the early 90's rigid steel bikes were the most fun. So, now I ride an early 90's steel bike built by Ritchey for the Scott racing team, with a rigid fork, one chainring in front and an eight speed cogset in the rear. I might have $300.00 invested, and it's the funnest bike I've ever owned. While I weighed in at 158 pounds back in my racing days (twenty years ago), I look more like the guys pictured above now. Doesn't mean I'm not having fun, or that I don't know how to ride.



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Old 04-29-2013, 04:02 PM   #11079
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I'm a little late on this one - that's my fault.

This truck is SOLD. Went to another inmate....and a super guy at that.

Sorry to all those who inquired and I've not responded; I've been a bit crazy busy lately!

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Old 04-29-2013, 04:36 PM   #11080
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All well said.

The other point I'd make is that buying an expensive bike is very motivational toward using it- no way my investment is going to sit!

Given the pace of the technology (and fashion) I was just wondering what the depreciation rate is.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:46 PM   #11081
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Very similar to motorcycles.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:47 PM   #11082
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Production volume and demand are the big players. Of course status and marketing play into it for some people too.

I've ridden/owned some seriously high end bikes in my time, but a few years ago came to the realization that the early 90's rigid steel bikes were the most fun. So, now I ride an early 90's steel bike built by Ritchey for the Scott racing team, with a rigid fork, one chainring in front and an eight speed cogset in the rear. I might have $300.00 invested, and it's the funnest bike I've ever owned. While I weighed in at 158 pounds back in my racing days (twenty years ago), I look more like the guys pictured above now. Doesn't mean I'm not having fun, or that I don't know how to ride.



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Old 04-29-2013, 05:02 PM   #11083
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foreward: I'm in no way taking your post personally - I'm just entering the discussion on "why good bikes cost so much" - since it was my bike for sale that triggered the question

That's my twin in the photo... no doubt Ben, but I disagree with your photo choice.
That guy is out there, getting off the sofa, and trying to lose weight. Good for him!
If he has stuck with it, I'd love to see what he looks like now.
I can't believe how fast I'm losing weight by peddling my arse off
(literally? ).

Perhaps a photo of a bicycle sitting in the garage covered in dust would be more appropriate (or parked in front of starbucks in boulder ).

There is a huge difference in how fun it is to bomb down the mountain with a great bike vs. an average bike.
We had so much fun in the Hall Ranch rock garden yesterday thanks to the great suspension setups our Yetis have.
Turns out my Yeti 575 frame is a bit too big for me (who would have thought I'd ride a medium size? )
.. but I am in fact buying another Yeti because they are incredible fun to ride and they work remarkably well!

I don't know what type of bike you have Ben, but we are headed to Heil Ranch tonight after work if you want to join us
If you don't have a really good bike, we have a few to choose from that should fit you so you can try the difference; just give me a call first so we bring 'em.
If you do have a bike, be sure and bring a headlamp!

Pic from yesterday:

Thanks Ed, I have a pretty nice mountain bike (by my standards) and a very nice road bike


And I agree that the technology helps. I was mostly just tring to be funny and didn't direct any comment towards you or Casey. I do find it humorous though when middle aged, over weight guys (like me) think they need to spend $35 on a Ti waterbottle cage when a $4 plastic one would do just as well. When they're pedalling their fat asses up a hill, it won't be the 1 gram of weight dfference between the two cages they'll feel, it will be the roll of fat hanging over their shorts.
The most cost effective way to make a bike lighter is to go on a diet. That's all I'm saying. Also, I have friends with bikes that are 10 years old, heavier than any of ours who will ride circles around any of us. It's not the bike, it's the rider. I look at the trails that guys were riding back in the '80s on rigid Stumpjumpers and so forth and realize that skill and physical stamina carry the day.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:05 PM   #11084
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Oh, and having said all that, I think $1750 for Ed's Yeti is a helluva deal

That's a lot of top end bike for the money.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:14 PM   #11085
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FWIW wait until next year or later this year for the 650b Yeti SB bike. I am going 29er.

I also have an older 575 that I will be putting up here for $500 soon. Just back from Moab and catching up on the thread.

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