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Old 12-23-2009, 08:33 AM   #11251
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Steroid damage?
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:04 AM   #11252
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I just saw Easy-Z on the 11:00 news.

Lookin' all spiffy after work watching the Beavers/BYU game at a *gasp* BAR!



You got BEAVER FEVER Zach?!?!?!?


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Old 12-23-2009, 09:48 AM   #11253
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Steroid damage?
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:32 AM   #11254
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Volvo and Geely? Geely? The crappy Chinese scooter maker?

I'd rather they just shut the doors!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/bu...auto.html?_r=1
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:09 PM   #11255
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:57 PM   #11256
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Steroid damage?
Pork chop and sperm joined forces?
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Old 12-24-2009, 12:39 PM   #11257
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Volvo and Geely? Geely? The crappy Chinese scooter maker?

I'd rather they just shut the doors!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/bu...auto.html?_r=1
Speak it brother!

Don't they make cars or something like that? If they're still any good, what the fuck does it matter?
If they suck, then don't buy one.

Translation: how can you possibly have any emotional investment in this?
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Old 12-24-2009, 12:50 PM   #11258
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Speak it brother!

Don't they make cars or something like that? If they're still any good, what the fuck does it matter?
If they suck, then don't buy one.

Translation: how can you possibly have any emotional investment in this?
I don't. It's just funny that the brand once considered the pinnacle of reliability and safety is about to be purchased by a second-rate-moped-manufacturer.
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:31 PM   #11259
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I don't. It's just funny that the brand once considered the pinnacle of reliability and safety is about to be purchased by a second-rate-moped-manufacturer.
Pinnacle?
By whom?

Those old "reliable" tanks weren't nearly as safe as they were made out to be and certainly weren't more reliable than the other vehicles on the road. From electrical gremlins to odd choices for where to put the washer fluid (so that drips would rust out your frame in an inaccessible location), they had their share of issues.

Note: i learned to drive in an old turbo 240. Good car. Great? doubtful. And I currently own a -gasp- '05 V50.

Next up, Wade tells us that a R12GS is a dirt bike. The marketing pamphlet said so!
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:41 PM   #11260
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I don't. It's just funny that the brand once considered the pinnacle of reliability and safety is about to be purchased by a second-rate-moped-manufacturer.
Woah...... Subaru was bought by a scooter company?
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Old 12-24-2009, 02:02 PM   #11261
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Volvo and Geely? Geely? The crappy Chinese scooter maker?

I'd rather they just shut the doors!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/bu...auto.html?_r=1
Geely has sought to assuage anxiety about the deal in Sweden, saying it intends to maintain Volvo much as it is, including “an independent management” at its Gothenburg headquarters.
The company said it had held “constructive meetings” in recent weeks with Volvo management, union leaders and government officials in Sweden and Belgium.
Assuming the deal goes through, “Volvo will retain its leadership in safety and environmental technologies, and will be uniquely positioned as a world-leading premium brand to exploit opportunities in the fast-growing China market,” Geely said.
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Old 12-24-2009, 02:22 PM   #11262
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speaking of old safe tanks
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Old 12-24-2009, 02:38 PM   #11263
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Pinnacle?
By whom?

Those old "reliable" tanks weren't nearly as safe as they were made out to be
I typed up a long response detailing my experiences, family's experiences, and common knowledge regarding both the safety and reliability of RWD Volvos. There are specific electrical issues, almost every model\year has some well documented common issue. The bodies and paint do have problems, especially in the salt-states. However, almost every imported vehicle in the 80s and early 90s had similar issues - Toyota and Subaru being among the worst.

But, you're going to shit all over whatever I say (that's your thing and that's okay,) and I'm not going to convince you of anything. Every car has weak points. So, just tell me, if a 240 is just 'okay' in terms of reliability and safety, what from the same time period, or can be purchased on the used market for less than a grand, is 'good' and what is 'excellent?' I'm not picking a fight, I just want to hear what you have to say.

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Old 12-24-2009, 03:30 PM   #11264
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I typed up a long response detailing my experiences, family's experiences, and common knowledge regarding both the safety and reliability of RWD Volvos. There are specific electrical issues, almost every model\year has some well documented common issue. The bodies and paint do have problems, especially in the salt-states. However, almost every imported vehicle in the 80s and early 90s had similar issues - Toyota and Subaru being among the worst.

But, you're going to shit all over whatever I say (that's your thing and that's okay,) and I'm not going to convince you of anything. Every car has weak points. So, just tell me, if a 240 is just 'okay' in terms of reliability and safety, what from the same time period, or can be purchased on the used market for less than a grand, is 'good' and what is 'excellent?' I'm not picking a fight, I just want to hear what you have to say.
Shit all over it? Maybe.
Sorry, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just find the attachment people have to a brand of consumer product a bit silly.

But while we're "fighting", now the stipulation is "what's the most reliable car for less than $1k"? Ah, the twists and turns to this story.

I'll choose anything Honda or Toyota for $1000. But the word "reliable" and "$1000 car" have little to do with each other. Unless you've got a different definition of that word. Hell, for my daily driver I use a '97 Honda Civic with 150k+ miles on it. It's worth a whopping $2k or so if I'm lucky. I know it'll keep running for a helluva long time, but I also wouldn't tell a potential owner that it's "reliable". It's a car with a bunch of miles on it. Shit breaks and will break. Is it more reliable than a Chrysler LeBaron? Yes. Is it more reliable than a 1985 240 or 1997 850? Probably.

Remember, just because someone drives a brand of car for 300k miles doesn't mean the other brands wouldn't make it. Or that it made sense to drive it that much.
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Old 12-24-2009, 03:43 PM   #11265
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Remember, just because someone drives a brand of car for 300k miles doesn't mean the other brands wouldn't make it. Or that it made sense to drive it that much.
We can agree on that. I am of the opinion that part of Volvo's image is Volvo's marketing in a cyclical sense; people think they have purchased a reliable car, so when the $500 repair bill comes up, their reaction is "Oh, well, this is all it will need and it will go forever..." - Until the next one comes up. Newer Toyota and Honda products have this same cycle going on. The cars that built (or rather, proved) the reputations that these brands have are long gone.

However, there are many year\model Volvos that have proven to be incredibly reliable, even when neglected. You can make the same claim for Honda, Toyota, and Nissan. But, circling back to safety, there's a substantial difference between a 1985 Civic or Accord and an 85 240 or 740.

As for emotional attachment - People fucking get into fist fights over their attachment to sports teams. Regularly. I admit, 'pinnacle' was the wrong word - My attachment is emotional because of the people I know that have survived bad accidents while driving (740 and 240 specifically) Volvos.
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