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Old 03-07-2007, 02:22 PM   #76
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I wonder if it'll be street legal or off road use only.... Here in Ontario getting an off road bike certified as street legal is very easy.. you don't even need blinkers on it..
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:25 PM   #77
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your refering to the 650, we're all talkin about the 450...
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:34 PM   #78
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BMW must really be ticked off at KTM for trying to steal the big Traillie market.

I don't understand why companies choose the most competivie place to break into a market.

Such as KTM in the 1000cc streat bike market. Failed
And now BMW first real dirt bike and they go right for the 450cc market. They will get their butts kicked.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:38 PM   #79
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And now BMW first real dirt bike and they go right for the 450cc market. They will get their butts kicked.
At least BMW isn't aiming for the MX market, which is a mistake that Buell seems to want to make.
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:14 PM   #80
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Reminds me of the Silk
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:21 PM   #81
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at least it's different than the other mass produced 450s out there

FI, linkless rear suspension, output shaft inline with the swingarm pivot, etc...

I wonder how many of those trick bits will make it to production and if it will be under $10K
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:24 PM   #82
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Great, another $8,000 dirt-bike!

That is exactly what we need.....





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Old 03-07-2007, 03:38 PM   #83
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Laugh

Do not forget BMW won two dakars on a thumper prototype with Ricahrd Sainct..........

BMW has technology and I+D enough to assault the enduro market.......
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:52 PM   #84
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I am willing to bet that changing out the counter sprocket will be quite easy as most of my bikes I have to take the rear wheel loose anyway to get enough slack off the chain to remove the CS. So if you remove the rear wheel and then remove the swingarm pivot shaft, the swing arm will drop down and then there will be enough clearance to slip the CS off, install the new one and re-install swingarm and wheel and off you go. The design should really help with chain, sprocket and overall drivetrain life right down to the swing arm and wheel bearings as there will not be a shocking load due to cycling of the suspension. I like. Hopefully they have or get all the bugs worked out of the unique clutch design.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:58 PM   #85
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Ok this is a dumb idea. Clutch on the end of the crank? Hope they keep the rpms low, because it's going to be very difficult to balance a clutch pack perfectly. Yamaha did it in the 60's (CT1?) and quickly abandoned it when they wanted to actually get some rpms in their engines.
Modern manufacturing will beat that problem, only ting will be the flywheel mass it gives extra, but then again that gives you more torque, which is nice in the mud ;-)
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:06 PM   #86
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It appears the counter shaft and swingarm share the same center. Constant tension chain is the result but it looks to be a pain to replace the countershaft sprocket. On the plus side is that it should see longer life. I wonder how the swingarm is supported.
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:13 PM   #87
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What? Nobody noticed that Micky Dymond left KTM and signed with BMW for AMA Supermoto and Pikes Peak this year?

Can you say Supermoto 450, too?
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:14 PM   #88
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...to change the sproket you pop the cap/bearing/carrier doohickey, then the shaft would probably slide out, and the sprocket would drop out or back.
Wait...
The bike has a doohickey?
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:55 PM   #89
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I called my BMW salesman today to find out about his experience in Cali riding the new X bikes with Jimmy Lewis; and I brought up this 450 prototype. The opinion concensus in Cali was that the 450 would be street legal, ala Husky TE's, and KTM EXC's, but probably would not be available to the public till 09. Too bad. This is closer to being my ideal bike than the X Challenge is. These are interesting times to be in the market for a street legal off road bike. I would not be surprised to see the Japanese bike companys come up with something next year. How can they continue to ignore the likes of: Husky, KTM, BMW, Sherco, Gas Gas, Aprilla, and Beta?
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:44 PM   #90
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Modern manufacturing will beat that problem, only ting will be the flywheel mass it gives extra, but then again that gives you more torque, which is nice in the mud ;-)
i dont know, i may be wrong in my thinking here, but i think that setup would have LESS flywheel efect than a standard set up. the clutch in a normal bike is efectively a flywheel. its not bolted directly on the crank, but it has momentum that will try and keep the crank turning just like a flywheel. big clutch= more flywheel=more torquey feel, little clutch, no flywheel, = snappy mx feel. anyone else, thoughts?
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