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Old 01-20-2008, 03:43 AM   #256
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Can these bikes acheive 65mph??? I am looking at one now. Also, I am 225. Can the little motor haul my butt around?
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Old 01-20-2008, 05:49 AM   #257
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Yes, but you are not going to wanna run either bike at that speed for long I think. A DR250SE will be relaxed and happy at 65 though while the 200 will be straining pretty hard. I'd recomend you take a hard look at a DR250SE or DR350SE, they are much better for higher speed riding (well, much better for most everything except really really short people imho).

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Old 01-20-2008, 10:29 AM   #258
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Can these bikes acheive 65mph??? I am looking at one now. Also, I am 225. Can the little motor haul my butt around?
They can but they're working really hard. There's no way you'll be doing that kind of speed if there is any wind. I can get mine up just over 75 mph, but I've got a lot of mods in my engine. And believe me, the little bugger is really winding out. I wouldn't want to do it for too long.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:33 AM   #259
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In an unaltered state of tune, mine topped out at about 72 mph on flat ground with no wind. Down hill with a tail wind, I buried the speedo needle once...over 85 mph.

Now that it's rejetted, it'll be interesting to see how it feels at 65 mph. I'm thinking it still won't be comfortable there, but 55 mph will be easier. I weigh 200 lbs, so a lighter person will have better results.
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Old 01-22-2008, 05:19 PM   #260
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I'm just about done refreshing the DR for this season. I've installed the Xenon fake HID type bulbs. Nice blue. By the way, the Nighthawk bulbs are an impressive improvement over stock (expensive though). That's what I had before water got in my headlamp. Poof, $30.00 gone. These new bulbs are cheaper, and they have the blue filter. Anyway, I've ordered the Hotcams DR-z125 stage 1 cam. It should be here any time. Thinking about insuring tomorrow. I'll let you all know how the cam works out.
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:24 PM   #261
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That cam will be better than stock, but don't expect a race machine.
On a modded bike, with big carb, you'd see more improvement with the added exh. lift.
Still not bad though.
Once you get the stocker out, send it down to Barry, and ask for 225-230 D, and as much lift as you can get on that stock core, likely about .260"-.270" lobe lift.
Then hold on.
When thats not enough, send the HC core in for grinding.
With its bigger lobe, you should be able to grind it for .300" lobe lift.
With 230D, you'll be pullin' the 350's
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:00 PM   #262
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42/15 = 2.80 or 45/16 = 2.8125
I just need to find the bleemin things.
I've run a 15:42 for some time now, find it to be the best compromise. If you go much taller you will find certain speeds difficult with the rpm level either too low or too high. The 16T counter presents a problem if the chain jumps the counter, you will punch the case. It would be the last thing I would want while on a backcountry tour.

BikePilot is right about the DR250/350SE series machines. I have one of each and they are a quantum leap from the 200. BUT, the 200 is a very good lightweight touring mount if not superslabbing.

Checkout the Minimalist Touring thread for an extensive discussion of the DR200SE's final and ratio options.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:01 PM   #263
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That cam will be better than stock, but don't expect a race machine.
On a modded bike, with big carb, you'd see more improvement with the added exh. lift.
Still not bad though.
Once you get the stocker out, send it down to Barry, and ask for 225-230 D, and as much lift as you can get on that stock core, likely about .260"-.270" lobe lift.
Then hold on.
When thats not enough, send the HC core in for grinding.
With its bigger lobe, you should be able to grind it for .300" lobe lift.
With 230D, you'll be pullin' the 350's
Thanks for the cam input. I'm not sure what the Dr350 is like, but my buddies' XT350 can just barely crawl away in the mid range, right now, before the cam mod.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:13 PM   #264
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I've never ridden a XT350 but both the DR250SE and DR350SE are way way ahead of the DR200 in terms of power, suspension, handling, gearbox etc. Of course that may not be what you want and the DR200 is perfect for some people (my mom loves hers), for me the DR250 or 350 does everything better and nothing worse. Just my 2c but perferences differ and that's why they make lots of cool and different bikes

The 200 does feel a lot smaller physically which is perfect for my mom (5'2") and I had a blast scooting around their little town on it. I have always lived in big cities and not being able to hop on the freeway for a bit comfortably would be a killer for me. For zipping around naples FL the DR200 was a blast.

I can totally see the fun in touring on a 200, sometimes its just more fun to poke along on a little bike. I can't say I understand the point of extensive performance modifications for one but to each his own.
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:31 PM   #265
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I can't say I understand the point of extensive performance modifications for one but to each his own.
Everything needs a little tweaking. OK LOTS! When it comes to the tight trails, speed and agility rule. Small, light bike + extra ponies = first one to the lake. RIDE HARD OR STAY HOME! XXX
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Old 01-23-2008, 10:43 PM   #266
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The mods mentioned are all pretty minor.
I wouldn't bother with extensive mods on a DR200, but the bikes are so tame out of the box, a little 'fine tuning' can turn a fun little bike into a very fun little bike, often for a small time, and money investment.
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Old 01-24-2008, 09:13 AM   #267
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Dr top 10

I have a DR 200 and I love it. I have done nothing to it and am thinking I may. What would your top 10 upgrades be? It would seem as if most of the upgrades would have to do with speed. I am 5 9 and about 165 lbs. So my bike will go along at 45 to 50 nice and smooth. If I could improve that to 55 to 60 I do not think I would ever sell it. Right now I am planning on getting a DR 650 and keeping the 200 as well. If I could make the 200 do 55 to 60 smoothly I may not get the 650. So here is my list (off the top of my head) not in any order.
1) better tires
2) seat improvement ie sheep skin or the alike
3) bar risers
4) new alum. bars
5) better grips
6) improved lighting
7) gearing
8) carb work
9) racks (I have a homemade set)
10) Time to ride the little sucker.

Like I said I love the bike and do not want to sell it but I want to cruse faster than it dose.

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Old 01-24-2008, 12:32 PM   #268
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Gas Mileage

I keep seeing claims of 100mpg bandied around in this thread and others, so I'm wondering why I'm getting approximately 55 - 65mpg out of my DR200SE (which has less than 3000 miles on the clock.) Heavy throttle use? My riding is approximately 200 miles of highway (at 60 - 65mph) a week, and then maybe 65 miles of trail and single-lane road every other weekend.

When I first got the bike it had 800 miles on the clock, so I treated it fairly gently for the first few tankfuls. Speeds were probably 50 - 60mph. But even then, I wasn't getting more than 65mpg. I haven't checked to see if I still have the OE sprockets, but I'll be doing some work it this weekend (got my Keintech jet kit in the mail) so I'll check then.

60mpg is still a hell of a lot better than my Honda Odyssey, and much better on the trail.

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Old 01-24-2008, 12:44 PM   #269
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Heavy throttle use? My riding is approximately 200 miles of highway (at 60 - 65mph) a week
That's what brings the mileage down. If you keep it under 45 mph, the mileage soars. I once got mileage in the 40's with one tankful of gas when I was running highway speeds into a headwind with the bike loaded with camping gear.
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:57 PM   #270
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That's what brings the mileage down. If you keep it under 45 mph, the mileage soars.
Hah! Yeah, I'll bet it does. I'm happy as long as this is expected behaviour. 60mpg is still good enough for me, I'm happy as long as there's nothing wrong.

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I once got mileage in the 40's with one tankful of gas when I was running highway speeds into a headwind with the bike loaded with camping gear.
Headwinds and hills are a problem here, and one of the reasons I ordered that jet kit.

The other reason, though, is that I need the bike to commute, and that means 40 miles of four- and six-lane highway a day. I'm happy sticking to 55 - 60mph mark and being overtaken all day long (the limit here is 100kph/62.5mph, after all) but a typical road user on my commute is pushing 65mph+, so dropping to 45mph just isn't going to happen.

If the jet kit can squeeze just a little more power out of the bike, I'll consider a different rear sprocket to make 60mph an easier cruising speed. Not for fuel efficiency, but to avoid that awful hole between 4th and 5th gear, where 100kph lies.
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