ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Thumpers
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-19-2012, 11:30 PM   #6211
lookfar
from the land of OZ
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Cairns, FNQ
Oddometer: 575
[QUOTE=ret1614;19858827]Sad to say, every site I've tried takes my order, then refunds my payment and cancels my order... Powersports plus was my first try, then Ron Ayers. After that, I started calling around, and nobody has them anymore. QUOTE]

These guys have them, They are in New Zealand, but I got one from them recently for my 1985 XL600.

http://www.smebike.com/carburetor,%2...rdre-xr500rdre

HTH
__________________
Stu in FNQ
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Growing old is mandatory... growing up is optional.
1985 XL250R
1985 XL600R 1988 XR600
lookfar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 01:52 AM   #6212
Schrauberklaus
***ifyer
 
Schrauberklaus's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Location: Phuket ,Thailand
Oddometer: 350
Quote:
Originally Posted by ret1614 View Post
Sad to say, every site I've tried takes my order, then refunds my payment and cancels my order... Powersports plus was my first try, then Ron Ayers. After that, I started calling around, and nobody has them anymore. The people that run the websites that have them listed as available tell me that I could order one, but when I ask them to confirm availability, they come back with something to the effect of, huh, our supplier says they don't have them anymore. So... By the sound of things, if I remove the spring and the diaphragm, block the vacuum port, and seal the cavity with an o-ring, the only problem I'll encounter is heavy backfiring?

That will not work . The Spring and the Pin in the middle of the diaphragm keep the Air cut valve at normal riding condition open .
If you remove the spring and/ or the diaphragm the Air cut valve will close , that let not enough Air to the Slowjet and the bike run to rich . You get massive starting problems if the Engine is warm .
__________________
Klaus
___________________________
Honda XL 600 R(S) 84 , Honda XR 600 Dual Carb. 87
Honda XR 280 R Sumo 04 , Honda XR 250 Baja 98
Yamaha Speed MX ( 2 Stroke ) 01 ,CRF250L 13
Schrauberklaus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 01:12 PM   #6213
ret1614
Adventurer
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Oddometer: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schrauberklaus View Post
That will not work . The Spring and the Pin in the middle of the diaphragm keep the Air cut valve at normal riding condition open .
If you remove the spring and/ or the diaphragm the Air cut valve will close , that let not enough Air to the Slowjet and the bike run to rich . You get massive starting problems if the Engine is warm .
Crap.

Anyone know if the diaphragm diameter is different between the XR and XL series?

Also, there isn't any contact information for SMEBIKE... I'd like to check availability before I make an order...
ret1614 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 02:30 PM   #6214
ret1614
Adventurer
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Oddometer: 23
Thing is, all those are for the '87 version of the XL600R... If the diaphragm is the right diameter, I'm 100% in business, because Honda still makes the parts for those carbs. 16048-KG0-891 seems to be still in production, and if the only difference is a spring pressure calibration difference, I can work with that. The parts fiche looks identical from '85-'87, but I can't know just by looking.
Maybe I'll order one, take the measurements, use it if it's right, send it back if it's wrong, and tell you guys if it works.
Unless somebody knows already...?

I mean, even bikebandit has the air cut valves for '86 and later...
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmot...1999#sch543909

Seems like the parts fiches look identical for the entire bike, but I know minor differences make for go/no-go.
ret1614 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 02:33 PM   #6215
lookfar
from the land of OZ
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Cairns, FNQ
Oddometer: 575
Quote:
Originally Posted by ret1614 View Post
Crap.

Anyone know if the diaphragm diameter is different between the XR and XL series?

Also, there isn't any contact information for SMEBIKE... I'd like to check availability before I make an order...
The Guy's name is Alec

Email is smebike@ihug.co.nz


HTH
__________________
Stu in FNQ
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Growing old is mandatory... growing up is optional.
1985 XL250R
1985 XL600R 1988 XR600
lookfar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 05:57 PM   #6216
ret1614
Adventurer
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Oddometer: 23
Alright, so I just ordered a diaphragm for an '86...
I'll see if it fits and report back.
ret1614 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 06:45 PM   #6217
tractor4play
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Oddometer: 105
carb

Quote:
Originally Posted by ret1614 View Post
Alright, so I just ordered a diaphragm for an '86...
I'll see if it fits and report back.
they are all the same accross the range.
n.r.p uk stock them at a cost of 12 pounds each.
if you have any problems pm me and i will get one to you.
tractor4play is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2012, 11:39 AM   #6218
ret1614
Adventurer
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Oddometer: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by tractor4play View Post
they are all the same accross the range.
n.r.p uk stock them at a cost of 12 pounds each.
if you have any problems pm me and i will get one to you.
That's what I wanted to know. Thanks. I kinda thought the part interchange was fairly certain, but now I know for sure.The difference in part numbers probably has a lot to do with the operating characteristics of the valve, as in how much vacuum it takes to open it. Anyway, I'll report back about it.
ret1614 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 04:03 PM   #6219
terrordaktyl rexxx
Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Oddometer: 18
do xr600r seats interchange with the xl600 seats?

maybe dimensionally different but like is the pan the same? bolt on the same?
terrordaktyl rexxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2012, 04:16 PM   #6220
Schrauberklaus
***ifyer
 
Schrauberklaus's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Location: Phuket ,Thailand
Oddometer: 350
Quote:
Originally Posted by terrordaktyl rexxx View Post
do xr600r seats interchange with the xl600 seats?

maybe dimensionally different but like is the pan the same? bolt on the same?
No , they are differnt . Have both , no change to interchange the seats .
__________________
Klaus
___________________________
Honda XL 600 R(S) 84 , Honda XR 600 Dual Carb. 87
Honda XR 280 R Sumo 04 , Honda XR 250 Baja 98
Yamaha Speed MX ( 2 Stroke ) 01 ,CRF250L 13
Schrauberklaus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 12:42 PM   #6221
GSBruce
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: May 2011
Location: The Woodlands, Texas
Oddometer: 126
Timing Chain Tensioner O-ring job

It appears that my timing chain tensioner shaft o-ring is weeping a tiny bit, tiny bit being more than I can tolerate. So this winter (about 2-3 weeks long in Houston) I will pull the engine and fix that.

Like my clutch lifter seal, this o-ring sat high and dry while my bike rested from 1989 until I put it back online in August 2012. My bike had 8000 miles on it when I parked it; I've ridden another 1100 miles since August, now at 9100 miles.

Other than the o-ring and a new rocker box gasket, what else should I do while I have the engine out? Don't mind spending a few bucks to avoid pulling the engine again anytime soon.

I will do something with the exhaust header while it's apart - $200 for a jet coat job seems excessive compared to flat black header paint from Autozone...

Suggestions and advice always most welcome ....
__________________
2000 BMW R1150GS / 1983 Honda XL600R

GSBruce screwed with this post 10-23-2012 at 01:56 PM
GSBruce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 01:38 PM   #6222
Billtr96sn
Flange Furtler
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Somerset, UK
Oddometer: 393
I would change all rubber seals including valve stem etc as they more than likey have dried out and gone hard.
__________________
If you see me coming, better step aside. A lot of men didn't, a lot of men died, all because of my shit brakes.
Billtr96sn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 01:39 PM   #6223
Zombie_Stomp
Aspiring human
 
Zombie_Stomp's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: SE Portland/ Carrboroland NC
Oddometer: 2,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by GSBruce View Post

Other than the o-ring and a new rocker box gasket, what else should I do while I have the engine out? Don't mind spending a few bucks to avoid pulling the engine again anytime soon.

I will do something with the exhaust header while it's apart - $200 for a jet coat job seems excessive compared to flat black header paint from Autozone...

Suggestions and
Yes:
All of the shaft seals. Anywhere there is a shaft coming out of the engine. All of them. You mentioned your clutch lifter- that's one, the driveshaft, shifter lever shaft, and the decompression one in the rocker box. They can be pried out with a variety of tools. There is usually hollow space behind them, and they're made of brass and rubber, just try not to scratch the shafts. The stator cover will need to be removed for the clutch one, and the rocker box for the decompressor shaft. I've had leaks happen in all those places. Once they are replaced, there will be no more oil leaks. I say that since you are getting the rocker box- good idea. I like to use copper coat in the spray can- nice and tacky, a sure seal for that particular gasket in my several assembly attempts trying a range of different products.

I think you must hate oil leaks as much as I do from the sound of it.
__________________
1983 Toyota pickup: total overhaul, preservation-restoration in constant progress...
1987 Yamaha XT600 2KF (German)
STOLEN: RED XL600 in Portland

I do heavy-duty textile repair, upholstery, and design/manufacture bags.
Zombie_Stomp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 01:42 PM   #6224
Zombie_Stomp
Aspiring human
 
Zombie_Stomp's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: SE Portland/ Carrboroland NC
Oddometer: 2,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billtr96sn View Post
I would change all rubber seals including valve stem etc as they more than likey have dried out and gone hard.
Valve stems seals!
That's a good idea too! I forgot about that!
__________________
1983 Toyota pickup: total overhaul, preservation-restoration in constant progress...
1987 Yamaha XT600 2KF (German)
STOLEN: RED XL600 in Portland

I do heavy-duty textile repair, upholstery, and design/manufacture bags.
Zombie_Stomp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 02:48 PM   #6225
JimRidesThis
Local celebrity
 
JimRidesThis's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Cumbria, UK
Oddometer: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oil-Burner View Post
Just thought I would share my new project a 1986 XL600r. Just needs a good cleaning and a few missing parts replaced.

That looks like a really nice 'light' project I really do like that colour scheme... and I've just painted my frame, tank and side panel (still need to find a right hand one) red .
__________________
JimRidesThis...

1985 XL600R "Tamworth"
1992 TDM850 "Ivy"
JimRidesThis is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 02:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014