The XL600 thread - Page 420

Billtr96sn · 11-01-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tractor4play

ill second that.

Rubbish

Tried it have you? I doubt it very much.

Carter Pewterschmidt · 11-01-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Billtr96sn

Tried it have you? I doubt it very much.

I ride on mine everyday. I don't take the bike off road or jump it but I do race about in the city all the time and bang through some mean potholes.

I'll keep an eye on them just in case, but if they were so bad you have to think that a place like Buchanan's would either not sell them or at least have a disclaimer posted.

Billtr96sn · 11-01-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter Pewterschmidt

I ride on mine everyday. I don't take the bike off road or jump it but I do race about in the city all the time and bang through some mean potholes.

I'll keep an eye on them just in case, but if they were so bad you have to think that a place like Buchanan's would either not sell them or at least have a disclaimer posted.

Why have a disclaimer? They are spokes, they keep your hub away from your rim, surely it is your responsibility to check them for tightness,fractures etc etc by the 'ding' test?

Johno33772 · 11-01-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Billtr96sn

Be careful. Stainless steel is not a good material to make spokes from as the metal is too 'brittle'. Everyone I know who has used stainless spokes has suffered broken spokes even when being built by a pro.
If you talk to Hagons (Here in the UK) the only time they recommend stainless spokes is on a trailer queen

Bullshit......WTF?

12120 · 11-01-2012, 08:04 PM

Put on my heated grips and bark busters today. FIred up the faithful '83, and went nowhere.

It died, wouldn't start. Finally got it started again. Died. I think for some reason I have a ignition problem. Spark looks weak on the plug with the lay in on the head test anyway. Besides I already did the carbs a little while ago. Was running fine until today. Of course I was gonna go for a ride this weekend.

POOP on it.
Chris

RFVC600R · 11-02-2012, 02:10 AM

''Bout to change my tube in the morning. I hate changing tires but I hate paying to have it done more.

beardothebeardo · 11-02-2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 12120

Put on my heated grips and bark busters today. FIred up the faithful '83, and went nowhere.

It died, wouldn't start. Finally got it started again. Died. I think for some reason I have a ignition problem. Spark looks weak on the plug with the lay in on the head test anyway. Besides I already did the carbs a little while ago. Was running fine until today. Of course I was gonna go for a ride this weekend.

POOP on it.
Chris

Go back a couple of pages and you'll see were Klaus posted up specs to test the stator, ignition coil, and ignition pick-up.

High Country Herb · 11-02-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Billtr96sn

Tried it have you? I doubt it very much.

I have.

About 5 or 6 years ago, I had Buchanan lace an 18" hoop onto the front hub of my '83 XL600R (supermoto-like) using the stainless spokes. They had to re-grind the hole angles to match the hub. I have hit it pretty hard over the years on rocks, rode it hard on twisty paved roads, and generally neglected the spokes. They are solid as ever.

Recently, I had a tire installer tell me he thought the spoke hole angles still weren't right, and we could see a slight curve in each spoke near the rim. He said that will stress the spokes. When I told him how long they had been like that, he said if they haven't broken by now, they would be fine. The SS spokes must be good.

One other thing he said, though, was that Buchanan tends to make their spokes a bit longer than they say they are, then say in the instructions "trim spokes if they protrude past the nipple." He was irritated about that, because of the extra work it has caused him over the years lacing customer's wheels.

Carter Pewterschmidt · 11-02-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Billtr96sn

Why have a disclaimer? They are spokes, they keep your hub away from your rim, surely it is your responsibility to check them for tightness,fractures etc etc by the 'ding' test?

Why a disclaimer? You just stated that SS spokes were so brittle that they're only fit for trailer queens. That statement makes them sound as if they were made of pot metal. Like they'll break at any given moment.

If they are as weak as you are implying I'd let my customers know before selling them a set and steer them towards steel ones instead. Sure it's the customers job to check them, but I wouldn't want to sell people a spoke I knew was weak without at least letting the customer know and giving them the proper options. It's a good way to avoid getting angry phone calls in the future.

Billtr96sn · 11-02-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Carter Pewterschmidt

Why a disclaimer? You just stated that SS spokes were so brittle that they're only fit for trailer queens. That statement makes them sound as if they were made of pot metal. Like they'll break at any given moment.

If they are as weak as you are implying I'd let my customers know before selling them a set and steer them towards steel ones instead. Sure it's the customers job to check them, but I wouldn't want to sell people a spoke I knew was weak without at least letting the customer know and giving them the proper options. It's a good way to avoid getting angry phone calls in the future.

Gotcha, well Hagons do give a disclaimer.

mcma111 · 11-02-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Carter Pewterschmidt

It's a good way to avoid getting angry phone calls in the future.

The hell with the phone call. How about a summons for the law suit from the injured rider?

Both my XRL's with Buchanan spokes

Wheels for Jack in Ohio. XL600

Another set of XRL wheels

All these wheels are built with Buchanan stainless steel 9 gauge spokes. Not pictured are my KTM 625 Super Moto and XR600 wheels that I rebuilt with Buchanan spokes.

My BMW R100gs with Woody's big stainless spokes. I ran these wheels into a big ass hole and they are still perfect. I wasn't so lucky...

Billtr96sn · 11-02-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mcma111

The hell with the phone call. How about a summons for the law suit from the injured rider?

Bearing in mind I am in the UK and we are not as litigious as you people in the States, how can you sue for something that is YOUR fault?
As you appear to build wheels yourself, surely you check your spokes for soundness by running a screwdriver around them listening for the dull thunk of a loose/cracked spoke?
It is something all riders with spoked wheels (of any material) should do often.

Not really wanting to stir up a hornets nest but it needs to be aired.

mcma111 · 11-02-2012, 06:40 PM

Nope, I don't check my spokes. I build then tight and right the first time. They don't dare come loose.

ret1614 · 11-03-2012, 12:32 PM

Just reporting back, the air cut diaphragm out of an 86 fits an '85. The pintle on the diaphragm is about 0.003" shorter, but it seems to function identically.

beardothebeardo · 11-04-2012, 06:31 AM

I just wanted to report back with my bike. I finally have good spark, and after re-adjusting the decompressor cables, and a lot of kicking (I had the bike on it's side several times doing various things to it) it started up, and smoked something fierce!

Let the bike run for awhile clearing itself out. Shut it down a few times to make sure I got good re-start-ability, which I do.

Thank you again for all the help here. It is very much appreciated!!!

11-01-2012, 08:04 PM	#6290
12120 Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2012 Location: SW Washington USA Oddometer: 151	Damn Put on my heated grips and bark busters today. FIred up the faithful '83, and went nowhere. It died, wouldn't start. Finally got it started again. Died. I think for some reason I have a ignition problem. Spark looks weak on the plug with the lay in on the head test anyway. Besides I already did the carbs a little while ago. Was running fine until today. Of course I was gonna go for a ride this weekend. POOP on it. Chris __________________ If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tatics are wrong. '83 XL 600r

11-02-2012, 02:10 AM	#6291
RFVC600R SAND EATER! Joined: Dec 2011 Location: Twentynine Palms Oddometer: 524	''Bout to change my tube in the morning. I hate changing tires but I hate paying to have it done more. __________________ '83 Honda XL600R valve seat RIDE RED!

11-02-2012, 06:40 PM	#6298
mcma111 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2007 Location: San Francisco,Ca. Oddometer: 8,162	Spoke Checking Nope, I don't check my spokes. I build then tight and right the first time. They don't dare come loose. __________________ Steve in SF BMW's 58 R26 79 R100s 91 R100gs 87 Harley FXRS-SP ~ 06 KTM 625 SMC ~ 72 Honda CB750/915cc ~ 92 XR600/654cc ~ 95 XR650l/675cc ~ 03 CRF450r ~ 05 CRF450x ~ 02 XR650l/675cc ~ 86 YZ490 ~ 93 YZ80 ~ 93 XR650l Project

11-04-2012, 06:31 AM	#6300
beardothebeardo Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2009 Location: City of Champions Oddometer: 152	Another one lives! I just wanted to report back with my bike. I finally have good spark, and after re-adjusting the decompressor cables, and a lot of kicking (I had the bike on it's side several times doing various things to it) it started up, and smoked something fierce! Let the bike run for awhile clearing itself out. Shut it down a few times to make sure I got good re-start-ability, which I do. Thank you again for all the help here. It is very much appreciated!!!

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11-03-2012, 12:32 PM	#6299
ret1614 Adventurer Joined: Oct 2010 Oddometer: 23	Just reporting back, the air cut diaphragm out of an 86 fits an '85. The pintle on the diaphragm is about 0.003" shorter, but it seems to function identically.