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Old 11-01-2012, 12:31 PM   #6286
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Tried it have you? I doubt it very much.
I ride on mine everyday. I don't take the bike off road or jump it but I do race about in the city all the time and bang through some mean potholes.

I'll keep an eye on them just in case, but if they were so bad you have to think that a place like Buchanan's would either not sell them or at least have a disclaimer posted.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:48 PM   #6287
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I ride on mine everyday. I don't take the bike off road or jump it but I do race about in the city all the time and bang through some mean potholes.

I'll keep an eye on them just in case, but if they were so bad you have to think that a place like Buchanan's would either not sell them or at least have a disclaimer posted.
Why have a disclaimer? They are spokes, they keep your hub away from your rim, surely it is your responsibility to check them for tightness,fractures etc etc by the 'ding' test?
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:55 PM   #6288
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Be careful. Stainless steel is not a good material to make spokes from as the metal is too 'brittle'. Everyone I know who has used stainless spokes has suffered broken spokes even when being built by a pro.
If you talk to Hagons (Here in the UK) the only time they recommend stainless spokes is on a trailer queen

Bullshit......WTF?
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:04 PM   #6289
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Put on my heated grips and bark busters today. FIred up the faithful '83, and went nowhere. It died, wouldn't start. Finally got it started again. Died. I think for some reason I have a ignition problem. Spark looks weak on the plug with the lay in on the head test anyway. Besides I already did the carbs a little while ago. Was running fine until today. Of course I was gonna go for a ride this weekend. POOP on it.
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:10 AM   #6290
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Old 11-02-2012, 07:45 AM   #6291
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Put on my heated grips and bark busters today. FIred up the faithful '83, and went nowhere. It died, wouldn't start. Finally got it started again. Died. I think for some reason I have a ignition problem. Spark looks weak on the plug with the lay in on the head test anyway. Besides I already did the carbs a little while ago. Was running fine until today. Of course I was gonna go for a ride this weekend. POOP on it.
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Go back a couple of pages and you'll see were Klaus posted up specs to test the stator, ignition coil, and ignition pick-up.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:14 AM   #6292
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Tried it have you? I doubt it very much.
I have.

About 5 or 6 years ago, I had Buchanan lace an 18" hoop onto the front hub of my '83 XL600R (supermoto-like) using the stainless spokes. They had to re-grind the hole angles to match the hub. I have hit it pretty hard over the years on rocks, rode it hard on twisty paved roads, and generally neglected the spokes. They are solid as ever.

Recently, I had a tire installer tell me he thought the spoke hole angles still weren't right, and we could see a slight curve in each spoke near the rim. He said that will stress the spokes. When I told him how long they had been like that, he said if they haven't broken by now, they would be fine. The SS spokes must be good.

One other thing he said, though, was that Buchanan tends to make their spokes a bit longer than they say they are, then say in the instructions "trim spokes if they protrude past the nipple." He was irritated about that, because of the extra work it has caused him over the years lacing customer's wheels.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:51 AM   #6293
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Why have a disclaimer? They are spokes, they keep your hub away from your rim, surely it is your responsibility to check them for tightness,fractures etc etc by the 'ding' test?
Why a disclaimer? You just stated that SS spokes were so brittle that they're only fit for trailer queens. That statement makes them sound as if they were made of pot metal. Like they'll break at any given moment.

If they are as weak as you are implying I'd let my customers know before selling them a set and steer them towards steel ones instead. Sure it's the customers job to check them, but I wouldn't want to sell people a spoke I knew was weak without at least letting the customer know and giving them the proper options. It's a good way to avoid getting angry phone calls in the future.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:44 AM   #6294
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Why a disclaimer? You just stated that SS spokes were so brittle that they're only fit for trailer queens. That statement makes them sound as if they were made of pot metal. Like they'll break at any given moment.

If they are as weak as you are implying I'd let my customers know before selling them a set and steer them towards steel ones instead. Sure it's the customers job to check them, but I wouldn't want to sell people a spoke I knew was weak without at least letting the customer know and giving them the proper options. It's a good way to avoid getting angry phone calls in the future.

Gotcha, well Hagons do give a disclaimer.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:51 AM   #6295
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It's a good way to avoid getting angry phone calls in the future.

The hell with the phone call. How about a summons for the law suit from the injured rider?

Both my XRL's with Buchanan spokes



Wheels for Jack in Ohio. XL600



Another set of XRL wheels




All these wheels are built with Buchanan stainless steel 9 gauge spokes. Not pictured are my KTM 625 Super Moto and XR600 wheels that I rebuilt with Buchanan spokes.

My BMW R100gs with Woody's big stainless spokes. I ran these wheels into a big ass hole and they are still perfect. I wasn't so lucky...



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Old 11-02-2012, 01:56 PM   #6296
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The hell with the phone call. How about a summons for the law suit from the injured rider?

Bearing in mind I am in the UK and we are not as litigious as you people in the States, how can you sue for something that is YOUR fault?
As you appear to build wheels yourself, surely you check your spokes for soundness by running a screwdriver around them listening for the dull thunk of a loose/cracked spoke?
It is something all riders with spoked wheels (of any material) should do often.

Not really wanting to stir up a hornets nest but it needs to be aired.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:40 PM   #6297
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Spoke Checking

Nope, I don't check my spokes. I build then tight and right the first time. They don't dare come loose.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:32 PM   #6298
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Just reporting back, the air cut diaphragm out of an 86 fits an '85. The pintle on the diaphragm is about 0.003" shorter, but it seems to function identically.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:31 AM   #6299
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Another one lives!

I just wanted to report back with my bike. I finally have good spark, and after re-adjusting the decompressor cables, and a lot of kicking (I had the bike on it's side several times doing various things to it) it started up, and smoked something fierce!

Let the bike run for awhile clearing itself out. Shut it down a few times to make sure I got good re-start-ability, which I do.

Thank you again for all the help here. It is very much appreciated!!!
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:46 AM   #6300
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