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Old 09-29-2007, 12:55 AM   #181
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Here's what I came up with from Google:

"A café racer can also be a true-grit sport bike rider who rides hard and fast on the street. As defined by Dr. Hunter S. Thompson:
"A thoroughbred Cafe Racer will ride all night through a fog storm in freeway traffic to put himself into what somebody told him was the ugliest and tightest decreasing-radius turn since Genghis Khan invented the corkscrew.

Cafe Racing is mainly a matter of taste. It is an atavistic mentality, a peculiar mix of low style, high speed, pure dumbness, and overweening commitment to the Cafe Life and all its dangerous pleasures... I am a Cafe Racer myself, on some days - and it is one of my finest addictions." (Excerpt from "Song of the Sausage Creature")"

Just from my limited pov, real cafe's seem to be locked in a period - 1960's to the early 80's, because of the limitations of stock bikes and the increases in street performance through modification. These days, you really can't ride even a stock bike at its limits on the street without quickly injuring yourself. But I agree, it's a matter of taste.

Anyway, it's a hot chick on a guzzi.

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OK,OK it was just a slight diversion.

It's just a matter of time before the Davida grl is posted, might as well get it out of the way.

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Old 09-29-2007, 07:22 AM   #182
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nice blend of both
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:35 AM   #183
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Allkay-

Where did you see that bike?

Seriously cool.

Any deets available?
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:44 AM   #184
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nice blend of both
The essential motorbike.!!

1 x Engine
2 x Wheels
1 x Fuel tank
1 x Frame
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100000 x FUN !!!!
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:05 AM   #185
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Allthough I dearly love my GS, I'd fall for a dirty weekend with a Guzzi.!

( On second thoughts looking at that seat ?. Make it a wild 30 minutes. )



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Nice little 125. ! ( Note the mirror. Perfectly positioned for popping zits en route to your date )


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Old 09-29-2007, 08:21 AM   #186
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Allkay-

Where did you see that bike?

Seriously cool.

Any deets available?
sorry, no other info. I found it somewhere on the web and fell in lust at first sight.
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Old 09-29-2007, 03:04 PM   #187
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but bobbers by design are predescessors (sp?) to cafe. Based on the same idea of removing everything possible that will improve performance by reducing weight.
Oh rly.

Maybe in some warped reality, but here they developed quite seperately, being that the bobber is an American concept while the cafe racer developed independently in the UK. The prime difference is that over here it was hoped that better handling might make a guest appearance too.
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:16 PM   #188
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Oh rly.

Maybe in some warped reality, but here they developed quite seperately, being that the bobber is an American concept while the cafe racer developed independently in the UK. The prime difference is that over here it was hoped that better handling might make a guest appearance too.
Excuse the F out of me, but I always thought that it was American bobbers of the 40s and 50s, along with HotRod ''greasers" that started "cafe racer" and "rocker" movement in UK.
The Brits, thank Darwin, were smarter than Yanks, though. They didn't sacrifice handling or performance. As far as I know, they did't think of front brake as exces weight or enjoyed cornering charecteristics of a 12in over stock springer. Instead of looking cool they did the ton.
my reality was definitly tweaked in 70's... am I that far off?
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:24 AM   #189
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Excuse the F out of me, but I always thought that it was American bobbers of the 40s and 50s, along with HotRod ''greasers" that started "cafe racer" and "rocker" movement in UK.
The Brits, thank Darwin, were smarter than Yanks, though. They didn't sacrifice handling or performance. As far as I know, they did't think of front brake as exces weight or enjoyed cornering charecteristics of a 12in over stock springer. Instead of looking cool they did the ton.
my reality was definitly tweaked in 70's... am I that far off?
Actually, I think this is the more accuarte picture of what happened...

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Old 09-30-2007, 10:42 AM   #190
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I hope this doesn't start a fight...

Bobbers are akin to choppers, basically useless, when compared to cafes, except to look at and attract attention. IMO they are examples of taking a decent bike and making it worse, in practicality terms, whereas cafes are bikes that have been improved. There is beauty in function and this, to me, is where bobbers and choppers are lacking. To make this a little shorter...
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Putting aside the issue of bobbers having their thread (which I think they should)...


Actually, they both have increased function at the core of why people did them. The original post-war bobbers were basically stipped down regular bikes, with all extraneous stuff removed and period engine tweaks to increase performance.

Not too disimilar from what the cafe racers did- only they had roadracers to emulate/copy and they came along at a time when the size of the market was large enough to support an aftermarket.

And btw- an awful lot of cafe racers are pretty useless too- they just look cooler (at least to me) in their uselessness.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:44 PM   #191
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I think the last three posts pretty much have it sorted out.

You can look at it in evolutionary terms. Both cafe and bobber bikes evolved from the standard bike of their day and location. In similar processes, both were "chopped" (sound familiar?) of the extraneous items and certain features were changed to enhance performance (bars, clipons, rearsets, different tanks, etc.).

Are they different? No debate there. Are they sprung from similar ideals/ideas? I think so. Do they deserve separate threads because of the significant differences in their genre? I think so. Is one crap because you don't care for the other? Absolutely no way.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:48 PM   #192
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I have to add, that 125 cafe posted above totally captivates me.

Having ridden my YSR50 (now sold) in the True Grits Rally in 2005, I can only imagine how much fun that 125 could be up in the mountain twisties.
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:08 AM   #193
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sometimes small bikes are incredible on montain roads.
Light weight bikes are great on those roads and "can play the game"

When y go on montain roads with my G/S its a big fun to see some brand new sports bikes owner faces when I overtake them on a small U turn....
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:35 PM   #194
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:53 PM   #195
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