Cleveland National Forest Report - Page 3

foxgguy2001 · 09-24-2008, 05:30 PM

My bikes in a bit of a tear down right now, but as soon as it's up I'd be very interested in getting involved in a patrol ride, as well as volunteering in any way i can.

Sent a PM to you in that regard pointman, look forward to hearing back.

~Fox

Mike Mike Motorbike · 09-24-2008, 09:36 PM

Hells Kitchen!

We rode up Indian truck trail over to ortega.
Tried to find a trail to wildomar and found a driveway with an armed resident ........ I informed him we are not trying to ride on his land just took a wrong turn.......
Saw hang gliders jumping off a cliff over Lake Elsinore and had a beer at Hells kitchen.
It was fun to look at all the Harley guys dressed up in their biker costumes while they looked at us in our dirt bike gear.
Hot chicks though I may have to get a hog....
70 mile ride.

CA Stu · 09-25-2008, 01:52 AM

Google maps now shows all of the roads out there again...

Magic!

Thanks
CA Stu

Ace100 · 09-25-2008, 09:46 AM

Does anyone here know if the roads closed due to the fires are still re-opening this November?

shleppy · 09-26-2008, 08:15 AM

yep.. here the 411 on the planned reopening in Nov.

(fyi ....the two announcements below are from a local mountain biking group that works very closely with the cleveland national forest to maintain the hiking trails)

Here announcement #1 sent a few weeks ago:

The Main Divide Road and Maple Springs Road are currently scheduled to be reopened on Nov. 9.

The District Ranger said that if we get the road repairs finished sooner they will reopen sooner.

The trails in the burn area will not be reopened until there is better recovery. Silverado (Motorway) trail will probably be reopened since it wasn't burned, but there was dozer damage and we'll need to be certain it is ready.

As you know, many forest visitors do not have the ethics to stay on roads and trails and the damage in these sensitive areas will be permanent if they get full access.

Here a follow up announcement sent sept 21st

After negotiating with the Forest Service we are confident that all of the forest, with the exception of the Harding Truck Trail, will be opened on November 9th. Originally they had planned to open only Maple Springs, the Silverado Trail and the Main Divide from Black Star to Maple Springs. The only issue which will prevent this forest opening is if the fire danger rating is critical due to the expected fall dry Santa Ana winds. As I previously mentioned in past weekly news we cannot afford another fire in the areas that have burned or this will severely jeopardize the chaparral environment from recovering allowing the further invasion of non-native plants and grasses.

One warning: the closure may be reinitiated if off-trail use cannot be controlled. The Forest Service is mandated to protect and assist the recovery of the burn areas by both the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) and AQMD regulations related to air quality (dust from the burn areas). If off trail use results in the increasing erosion of the burned areas the Forest Service can be sued by environmental groups forcing a long lasting closure. What these environmental groups could not accomplish through Wilderness Bills and Forest plans could be accomplished by lawsuits due to a small group of irresponsible hikers, mountain bikers and OHV users.

Please be responsible and stay on the trails/road when the forest reopens. Stay off the Harding Truck Trail, which will be patrolled by off-duty CHP motorcycle officers on dual sport motorcycles.

Their will be a no-tolerance policy by the Forest Service and anyone caught off-trail will have their bike confiscated and subject to $5,000 dollar fine and jail time.

foxgguy2001 · 10-04-2008, 11:46 PM

Will be riding skyline sunday at noon, just puttin around if anyone else happens to go.

catalina38 · 10-20-2008, 08:29 PM

Any news about early opening?

catalina38 · 10-24-2008, 04:32 PM

bump

Pointman0853 · 11-01-2008, 10:32 AM

No big suprise here... It will be delayed...

Note the opening date is Monday, November the 10th. October is obviously a typo...

Pointman

Forest reopening

The scheduled reopening of the Trabuco Ranger District will happen on
Monday, October 10. The existing forest closure goes through Nov 9.

The roads and trails will reopen but any cross country travel through the
burn area could be cause to close until the burn area recovers. We are
asking all trail and trail patrol volunteers to please be especially
watchful and help us educate the public of the need to stay on the trails.

THE BURN AREA ITSELF AND THE HARDING TRUCK TRAIL WILL REMAIN CLOSED.

Debra
************************************************** *
Debra Clarke - Wilderness / Trails Manager
District Volunteer Coordinator
Cleveland NF, Trabuco Ranger District
1147 East Sixth Street
Corona, CA 92879
(951) 736-1811 x 3227
(951) 736-3002 fax
email: drclarke@fs.fed.us
************************************************** *

ffr2370 · 11-01-2008, 06:40 PM

I rode up main divide truck trail today to do my weekly Tom's Farms for lunch-and-back trek only to find the gate at Indian Truck Trail to be closed/locked, WTF??? Had to turn around and hang out at Hell's Kitchen instead. Anyone know why this trail is now closed?

JeffS77 · 11-02-2008, 01:02 AM

you can check here http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/cleveland/conditions/ ..it is known to be off...but i know for a fact maple springs is closed. its my closes entrance

Pointman0853 · 11-02-2008, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffr2370

I rode up main divide truck trail today to do my weekly Tom's Farms for lunch-and-back trek only to find the gate at Indian Truck Trail to be closed/locked, WTF??? Had to turn around and hang out at Hell's Kitchen instead. Anyone know why this trail is now closed?

Read the bulletin... Its been closed since the fire danger was announced and after the big OC burn.

Pointman

notmybikemodelname · 11-02-2008, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointman0853

Read the bulletin... Its been closed since the fire danger was announced and after the big OC burn.

Pointman

I've ridden it since then quite a few times and the gate was open every time.

Ace100 · 11-02-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointman0853

Read the bulletin... Its been closed since the fire danger was announced and after the big OC burn.

Pointman

Indian Truck Trail has been open all the way up to Main Divide during the closures. Main Divide South of Indian Truck Trail has been open to Ortega. No idea on why the gate would be closed now. Do they close the gates on days with high winds/extreme fire danger?

ffr2370 · 11-02-2008, 01:17 PM

Rode again today with the wife, this time it was open. It didn't look like they did any trail work, so I can't imagine why they had it closed yesterday.

09-25-2008, 01:52 AM	#33
CA Stu Thanks Joined: Aug 2004 Location: Riverside, CA Oddometer: 42,603	Google maps now shows all of the roads out there again... Magic! Thanks CA Stu __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

09-26-2008, 08:15 AM	#35
shleppy Shlepdawg on da smoov tip Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Rancho Santa... Awe who gives a crap ! Oddometer: 605	Yep ! yep.. here the 411 on the planned reopening in Nov. (fyi ....the two announcements below are from a local mountain biking group that works very closely with the cleveland national forest to maintain the hiking trails) Here announcement #1 sent a few weeks ago: The Main Divide Road and Maple Springs Road are currently scheduled to be reopened on Nov. 9. The District Ranger said that if we get the road repairs finished sooner they will reopen sooner. The trails in the burn area will not be reopened until there is better recovery. Silverado (Motorway) trail will probably be reopened since it wasn't burned, but there was dozer damage and we'll need to be certain it is ready. As you know, many forest visitors do not have the ethics to stay on roads and trails and the damage in these sensitive areas will be permanent if they get full access. Here a follow up announcement sent sept 21st After negotiating with the Forest Service we are confident that all of the forest, with the exception of the Harding Truck Trail, will be opened on November 9th. Originally they had planned to open only Maple Springs, the Silverado Trail and the Main Divide from Black Star to Maple Springs. The only issue which will prevent this forest opening is if the fire danger rating is critical due to the expected fall dry Santa Ana winds. As I previously mentioned in past weekly news we cannot afford another fire in the areas that have burned or this will severely jeopardize the chaparral environment from recovering allowing the further invasion of non-native plants and grasses. One warning: the closure may be reinitiated if off-trail use cannot be controlled. The Forest Service is mandated to protect and assist the recovery of the burn areas by both the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) and AQMD regulations related to air quality (dust from the burn areas). If off trail use results in the increasing erosion of the burned areas the Forest Service can be sued by environmental groups forcing a long lasting closure. What these environmental groups could not accomplish through Wilderness Bills and Forest plans could be accomplished by lawsuits due to a small group of irresponsible hikers, mountain bikers and OHV users. Please be responsible and stay on the trails/road when the forest reopens. Stay off the Harding Truck Trail, which will be patrolled by off-duty CHP motorcycle officers on dual sport motorcycles. Their will be a no-tolerance policy by the Forest Service and anyone caught off-trail will have their bike confiscated and subject to $5,000 dollar fine and jail time. __________________ ShleppyChronicles.com 2006 F650GS (sold) 2007 DRZ 400s 2009 F650GS

10-20-2008, 08:29 PM	#37
catalina38 Contrarian Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Stingray bay CA. Oddometer: 1,410	Any updates? Any news about early opening? __________________ Born 10,000 years too late Scientific Wild Ass Guesser:hmmmm

10-24-2008, 04:32 PM	#38
catalina38 Contrarian Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Stingray bay CA. Oddometer: 1,410	bump __________________ Born 10,000 years too late Scientific Wild Ass Guesser:hmmmm

11-01-2008, 10:32 AM	#39
Pointman0853 Unregistered Gun Owner Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Douglas County, Nevada Oddometer: 1,324	Maple Springs gate opening update... No big suprise here... It will be delayed... Note the opening date is Monday, November the 10th. October is obviously a typo... Pointman Forest reopening The scheduled reopening of the Trabuco Ranger District will happen on Monday, October 10. The existing forest closure goes through Nov 9. The roads and trails will reopen but any cross country travel through the burn area could be cause to close until the burn area recovers. We are asking all trail and trail patrol volunteers to please be especially watchful and help us educate the public of the need to stay on the trails. THE BURN AREA ITSELF AND THE HARDING TRUCK TRAIL WILL REMAIN CLOSED. Debra ************************************************** * Debra Clarke - Wilderness / Trails Manager District Volunteer Coordinator Cleveland NF, Trabuco Ranger District 1147 East Sixth Street Corona, CA 92879 (951) 736-1811 x 3227 (951) 736-3002 fax email: drclarke@fs.fed.us ************************************************** * __________________ AMA Life Member 600475 IBA #5 More Cowbell!

09-24-2008, 05:30 PM	#31
foxgguy2001 Sheputy Deriff Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Riverside, CA Oddometer: 196	My bikes in a bit of a tear down right now, but as soon as it's up I'd be very interested in getting involved in a patrol ride, as well as volunteering in any way i can. Sent a PM to you in that regard pointman, look forward to hearing back. ~Fox

09-24-2008, 09:36 PM	#32
Mike Mike Motorbike ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Oddometer: 188	Hells Kitchen! We rode up Indian truck trail over to ortega. Tried to find a trail to wildomar and found a driveway with an armed resident ........ I informed him we are not trying to ride on his land just took a wrong turn....... Saw hang gliders jumping off a cliff over Lake Elsinore and had a beer at Hells kitchen. It was fun to look at all the Harley guys dressed up in their biker costumes while they looked at us in our dirt bike gear. Hot chicks though I may have to get a hog.... 70 mile ride.

09-25-2008, 09:46 AM	#34
Ace100 Expert Tomfoolerist Joined: Jun 2008 Location: OC to the Hi Dez, CA USA Oddometer: 336	Does anyone here know if the roads closed due to the fires are still re-opening this November?

10-04-2008, 11:46 PM	#36
foxgguy2001 Sheputy Deriff Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Riverside, CA Oddometer: 196	Will be riding skyline sunday at noon, just puttin around if anyone else happens to go.

11-01-2008, 06:40 PM	#40
ffr2370 Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Location: South Main Divide Oddometer: 121	Indian Truck Trail gate closed I rode up main divide truck trail today to do my weekly Tom's Farms for lunch-and-back trek only to find the gate at Indian Truck Trail to be closed/locked, WTF??? Had to turn around and hang out at Hell's Kitchen instead. Anyone know why this trail is now closed?

11-02-2008, 01:02 AM	#41
JeffS77 cheap bastard Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Riverside , CA Oddometer: 2,996	you can check here http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/cleveland/conditions/ ..it is known to be off...but i know for a fact maple springs is closed. its my closes entrance __________________ A n00b Races Hell on Wheels Vintage Scrambles A n00b Races Elsinore Grand Prix For a Cause A n00b Goes Flat Track Racing

11-02-2008, 01:17 PM	#45
ffr2370 Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Location: South Main Divide Oddometer: 121	Indian TT was open today Rode again today with the wife, this time it was open. It didn't look like they did any trail work, so I can't imagine why they had it closed yesterday.

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