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Old 01-25-2011, 08:14 PM   #991
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Ice Racers

I went to the local ice races a couple weeks ago. All the bikes seem to be dirt trackers with ice screws.



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Old 01-25-2011, 08:15 PM   #992
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Old 01-25-2011, 08:17 PM   #993
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There's a small class of speedway bikes



Keeping the engine warm:


Funky suspension:
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Old 01-25-2011, 08:19 PM   #994
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There's also a third wheel class, but no monkeys allowed.



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Old 01-26-2011, 06:05 AM   #995
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Looks like fun. I've done some ice racing with flattrack bikes. It's amazing how much traction ice affords with studded tires. Ice is way more grippier and predictable than dirt.
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:16 AM   #996
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A friend's TT500 has seen regular service in recent years...often holding off newer stuff under the right conditions.




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Old 01-26-2011, 06:01 PM   #997
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my old flat tracker




racing my old upright Jawa Speedway bike




here it is





my modern laydown Jawa




and my current little 250 flat track play bike..just started to lower it..trying not to cut the frame and just gonna do what i can with factory rake and what not.


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Old 01-27-2011, 09:01 AM   #998
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Is that "spring" a vacuum belt?
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Old 01-27-2011, 10:28 AM   #999
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That dudes bands look stretched pretty bad if that bike is just siting static with no weight on it, even with weight on it it looks bad to me...but to each there own i am a heavy dude so i run two bands each side and use the heavy Antig bands
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Old 01-27-2011, 03:30 PM   #1000
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Gorgeous; but do I detect an 18" front wheel?
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:03 PM   #1001
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A friend's TT500 has seen regular service in recent years...often holding off newer stuff under the right conditions.
"Under the right conditions" is important, isn't it? Back in the day I came in second in the Open class running a clapped out Bultaco 250 in the stock frame against a field of 500s. Of course the track was in a horse show ring at the Marion County fairgrounds, not much straightaway to speak of.

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I don't think I'd have the balls for speedway. That is just an awesome display of power and chutzpah. I was surprised a few years ago to see speedway bikes running on the half mile at Goshen, I thought it was strictly a short-track sport. Those things looked squirrely out there for sure.
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Old 01-30-2011, 09:04 AM   #1002
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Gorgeous; but do I detect an 18" front wheel?
Even worse!
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Is that "spring" a vacuum belt?

Probably both! Gotta love speedway forks!
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:00 AM   #1004
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Very interesting!!! and very Nice...........I remember when Tucker Rocky sent these photos to the dealerships






Ever wonder what garage those bikes are laying in? That pipe set for the Titan?
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Was this before or after Kenny Roberts did his craziness on the TZ?

Lately now, it seems Roberts is not knocking the TZ as much as its sheer speed in relation to the H-Ds. His comments that it actually did handle good, but just had outrageous horsepower that was difficult to hook up (imagine that hard to hook up - in it's first race with virtually no development past the chassis) and that the tires of the day weren't up to task. Seems he was more concerned with the closing speed, two stroke line versus the 4 stroke line, and tires. Of course even the Harleys were wearing out and/or chunking tires in 25 mile nationals back in the mid/late 70s. As he said in Sideburn, if they'd had the tires there are now the Harleys wouldn't have sniffed his tail. So the bike wan't quite the killer monster it was made up to be. Much as was pointed out in Cycle World in their January 1976 track test of Steve Baker's TZ, one of the original six. Roberts figured out how to ride it and, per his nature, pushed it to the limits to make it win - the first day he rode it!

Not everyone rode like that. Not all riders push that hard. I was in the stands watching. Castro rode a Kaw in the Trophy Dash passing a couple Harleys on the straights for the lead, then falling back because he ran the four stroke line instead of squaring off the corners as Roberts did. Other riders of the Kaws and Yamahas struggled in various ways. Remember, these bikes were just deveoping. The 750 started dominating in 73 and non-Harley riders were working to get caught up as it got faster and faster. When they actually came up with something it was killed off before allowing any real development.

That was the worst part about the whole ban. It took away any development, like staggering crank pins and such. Even ignition black box work hadn't been given a chance. What a shame. With the exception of a few years wherer Honda pushed some buttons by winning, then being weighted down, we were treated to 35 years of the SOS. Now lets see how they screw up the little Kawasaki 650 if it starts winning more. Heaven forbid a rider not have to spend $25,000 to get into pro racing on the flat track. Go get 'em Werner!
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