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Old 12-07-2009, 02:30 PM   #31
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I ordered on too, more to try it out, I'm not real happy with the Bushnell GPS PC software, I don;t see where it can import GPX files or anything else.
I'm also intrigued by the unlimited maps for $29.95 year. If they're current and detailed it might be useful.

Its not that large. I've found a few pictures of it in a hand. I think the screen is about the same size as my XOG.


edit......

I acted hastily when I ordered more research shows that the Onix does not import GPX tracks, there is no converting gpx tracks to it either, I emailed Bushnell to ask about it but I seriously think the answer is going to nil.

I'll work with it some but I think its going to go on fleabay by Christmas.
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:11 AM   #32
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I don't know the normal price, but you can get it this moment for $99.99 + $5 shipping. www.woot.com
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:38 PM   #33
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Just got this reply from Bushnell Electronics

I've emailed them again to see if they might release the Tracks/Route/Waypoint data format specs so that the good folks at gpsbabel can support the Onix devices.


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The trail can have as many way points as the unit will hold… points would have to be inputted manually there is no way to import them from other than our software.




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Old 12-09-2009, 03:08 PM   #34
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First impressions.....
The Onix came in today.

ITs a beautiful unit, roughly the same size as my hand.
The screen is the typical PDA size and vivid colors.
Menus are easy to understand and navigate.
The base map is useless, when you first power on the unit it is pointed at an included satellite photo. Detail on the one image is good, I wonder if it is typical of all the sat images?

I just performed the update rebooted the device. It appears to be Windows Mobile based, but I can't verify that yet.

Navigating around the screen with arrow buttons, appears slow even slower than my Ifinder Pro and it was loaded with topo maps for the whole state.

First lock is slow, about 4 minutes my XOG does it in under 60 seconds.

There is no support for GPX tracks, or a utility to convert gpx tracks to Onix tracks, this alone is deal breaker and makes the unit almost useless, without the ability to view tracks on anything but their own limited software. I've email Bushnell about releasing at least the data file format information so that gpsbabel could include it for converting tracks. This was not received well by them. MAYBE if everyone was flood them with emails requesting it they would release a utility to do the conversion. The data file is a binary format file.

I'm also not seeing the ability to load previously saved tracks but that may just be that I hadn't found it yet.
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Old 12-09-2009, 05:09 PM   #35
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Maps Topo..

The Onix appears to use a form of geo referenced jpg named .pho for the Topo maps. The images look like lossy type jpg compression, lines are fuzzy and the images are slow to load. It slows down screen scrolling even more.

Ok I gues thats enough, I'll either give it to the kids ot use or its going to go on ebay or if anyone is interested pm me. I'll include my one year subscription I just purchased to their map service.

Ok no more ramblings, I may make one trip with it to compare to the XOG.

Its aquiring lock fast enough now. Has a little wandering here in the house but does aquire lock through the roof so I would expect it to hold lock in the woods well enough.
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:18 PM   #36
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Terry, Thanks for the Update, good to know.
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:35 PM   #37
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There is hope,
I'm working with the good folks at GPSBabel. We're working on reverse engineering the data file format. They started on it last year and the original interested party vanished on them, wouldn't return emails etc. So it was stuffed to back burner.

So far its far from prime time, but decoded the latitude (mostly) and the icon placement in the data file.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:19 PM   #38
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GPSBabel...

If anyone is still reading this, things are moving quickly, if you bought one of an Onix 400 don't give up hope and think your alone turkey in the GPS world.
GPSBabel developers have the preliminary code done, hopefully in the next release, there will be support for Onix trails, and waypoint conversions.
I've seen some of the converted tracks and it works on waypoints.
Trails are next, then comes routes.

The worthless basemap is the biggest issue, and loading a large area of the topo images, or satellite images slows the thing down to much. But I can see it doing good at tracking if nothing else. I really like the display.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:34 PM   #39
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Thanks for the heads-up. I downloaded the latest Beta version of GPS Babel but the Onix isn't on it yet. Hopefully they'll add it in a future revision -- I think that every Onix user would be extremely happy to have an alternative to the really, really, bad Base Map, not to mention the very challenging-to-use Bushnell map download site.

Garmin built a plug-in that lets you send Google Maps data right to their GPS units. It boggles the mind that Bushnell isn't doing likewise, or of further expanding the functionality of the Onix 400. There's a lot more they could do with the unit!

If they're trying for a follow-up monetization of the product, they should just offer all the Maps at once on a CD for $100. It's far more likely that people would buy one than go through the unlikely process of buying 100 maps online -- and a side benefit is their user base would not get so insanely frustrated with the product and/or their terrible web site.

They'd better hurry -- the iPhone running Google Earth has almost already made the huge, heavy Onix 400 nigh-obsolete for non-absolute-wilderness trekkers.
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:57 AM   #40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zecatfish
If anyone is still reading this, things are moving quickly, if you bought one of an Onix 400 don't give up hope and think your alone turkey in the GPS world.
GPSBabel developers have the preliminary code done, hopefully in the next release, there will be support for Onix trails, and waypoint conversions.
I've seen some of the converted tracks and it works on waypoints.
Trails are next, then comes routes.

The worthless basemap is the biggest issue, and loading a large area of the topo images, or satellite images slows the thing down to much. But I can see it doing good at tracking if nothing else. I really like the display.
Good to know, i was just about to list mine on FleaBay.

Maybe i will hold out for a few weeks.
Please keep us updated.
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:14 AM   #41
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Good to know, i was just about to list mine on FleaBay.

Maybe i will hold out for a few weeks.
Please keep us updated.
http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-development/
This is the preliminary doc, scroll down to Bushnell
Waypoints can be imported and exported via gpsbabel, trails can be converted to gpx, but there is some strange data there that has to be reverse engineered before they can import gpx trails.
I'm the one doing the hacking on the data files and sending the findings to the babel coders (I'm no coder) and they're using it to add support.
I haven't started on deciphering routes yet.

IF you get the CVS tree and compile it yourself you will find the Onix format. It will be added to the next beta release.

http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-deve...hnell_trl.html
http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-deve..._bushnell.html
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:47 AM   #42
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Wish I could be more help with this, but you are already talking over my head.

I am lucky to do simple imports when things are Designed to work together.
But I will be happy to try this when it gets worked out.

And thank you for the work you are doing. this does look like a good unit, if we can get compatibility with the GPS standard files.
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Old 01-17-2010, 06:10 PM   #43
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GPSBabel Update.

Just released,
Beta version 1.37 of GPSBabel, it should have the Bushnell in it now.
http://www.gpsbabel.org/download.html
Scroll down and you will find the Windows and Mac version.

Waypoints convert fine.
So if GeoCaching is your thing. Your in luck.
Remember that the Bushnell format dictates each waypoint becomes its own file, so if there is lots of waypoints in your gpx, or gdb etc file convert it into its own directory.

the down side.

Trails:
Converting GPX trails to Bushnell .trl trail format seems to be very hit and miss. I had one file out of 5 I tried successfully converted. So that still needs work.

Routes:
Forget about it. I've looked at the file format and never got around to trying to decipher the silly format.
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Old 01-18-2010, 01:58 PM   #44
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Thanks ZECatfish

Thank you ZECatfish for the information. I downloaded some waypoints for geocaches in .loc format and easily converted them to the .WPT files that worked perfectly in the Bushnell device.
I'd like to offer my appreciation to whomever did the development in GPSBabel. Would that be you? If so thank you as well for that.

In several forums, many of the complaints I've read about the Onix 400s are lack of means for importing waypoints. Speaking for myself, this makes it a non-issue.

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Old 01-18-2010, 02:12 PM   #45
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Thank you ZECatfish for the information. I downloaded some waypoints for geocaches in .loc format and easily converted them to the .WPT files that worked perfectly in the Bushnell device.
I'd like to offer my appreciation to whomever did the development in GPSBabel. Would that be you? If so thank you as well for that.

In several forums, many of the complaints I've read about the Onix 400s are lack of means for importing waypoints. Speaking for myself, this makes it a non-issue.

Best Regards

I'm not a coder, I just deciphered the format in a hex editor and shared it with the developers and they made it work. I was just part of solution.

I forwarded your thanks to the Developer.
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