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Old 06-27-2008, 09:15 AM   #76
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:30 PM   #77
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.... Paint stripes and tar snakes really make the bike wiggle...
Of course you are referring to the Road Attack with this observation. I have not noticed this trait is any worse than any other tire I have used. In fact, I think the Trail Attack does very well on tar snakes. There are tons of them on the corners of one stretch of my commute and I don't even take note of them now that I have the Trail Attacks on. I won't make any comment on the paint stipes as I always ride over them gingerly when it's wet out.

EDIT: July 4th, 2009.

I just returned from a trip and the tar snakes in Ohio were evil. The on and off ramps were covered with them and the tires didn't like them one bit. Maybe they use a different material in Ohio than in Maryland because I feel totally comfortable hitting the tar snakes in the Metro DC area.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:22 AM   #78
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Just stumbled over this thread and happy to share my experiences as well, as written on www.varadero-international.com Kick off with a short cut: WOW.

The link to the Varadero forum was provided on the first page of this topic, tnx for that.

Here are my experiences... they date back to September 2007 when I changed from Anakee to Trail Attack. Bike: 2004 Honda XL1000V Varadero ABS, 98 Bhp / 283 kg, almost 100 Nm torque. Mileage: 18.000 km each year under different conditions.

I just copy-past my postings here; but first I would kickoff with the details as the first posting did:
Bike:
Honda XL1000V ABS (2004 model)
Suspension:
Technoflex
weight of rider:
Apr 110kg with gear - 6,8 ft (2,04m) tall.
Ride ability:
Corners are there to TAKE. Offroad I'm Mr Joe Average; prefer gravel above sand.
Pressures:
2,7-2,8 Barr rear, 2,4-2,5 front; offroad rear minus 1,0 bar; keep the pressure front (after all... the frontwheel has to do the 'cutting'...





This new tyre was recently introduced and today I had a first look at it at my Honda agent. It looks promising, but that was also my first impression of the Bridgestone Battlewing.

I considered the BT as a serious alternative to the Anakee's I am currently using, but reading the rapports of users I can't see a clear 'yea, they are good' or a clear 'nah, leave it'.

Just as much pro's as there are no's...

But now there is that new Conti. On the website of the Dutch importer they are adverting the tyre for long lasting abilities in combination with good overall grip... And available for the Varadero!

Well... regarding to the fact that my own Honda agent was also 'more or less' exaggerating (read: really recommending) about the new Conti (also due to their good experiences with the Road Attack) I have made the purchase:

My trusty Anakees have been under the bike for the last 18.000 km (11.250 miles, H version), which should be a new record.

They will be replaced by the new Conti's early July...

I will keep you posted, Karinda's bike has done almost the same mileage on the Anakees, but she is very keen in keeping the Anakees, so on her bike we will replace them for the Michelin again.

I will keep you posted.
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As promised the update regarding the Conti Trail Attack!



Well… we have been enjoying a nice ride out from our club yesterday, which took the ODO for another 400 km. All kinds of roads, including gravel, and cobblestones; but also nice tarmac roads with tight twisty bents. We also managed to do some high speed motorway cruising up to an (in The Netherlands… :-[ ) very illegal 180 km/h. The bike showed a remarkable straight on stability; even under a strong head- and side wind.

What to say more as a huge ‘WOW’? Even I could not expect to be that much impressed by any tyre. The last tyre which gave me a ‘WOW’ feeling was the good old Michelin T66X on twisty mountain roads; so George (Gepol), here is your real T66X succesor!


Although the Anakees I used as successor to the T66X where also very good, the steering of this new Conti is really up to another level. I have tested Dero’s on Bridgestone’s, on Pilot Road, on Metzelers, but I never felt such an improvement in the steering behaviour as with this new Conti Trail Attack.

If you look at the tyre in a diagonal cross-section, you will notice that the running surface is very much curved. In comparing with the (also brand new) Anakees under Karinda’s Dero the straight-on line is almost a full 2 centimetres (1 inch) smaller as on the Anakee.

And that shows! I never trusted to take some corners with the velocity I now did on the Conti and I never have done some cornering under such a steep angle. The best description I could think of is the feeling if you are cutting corners with a razorblade! It did not take long to ride the Trail Attack on to the edge of the running surface…! No 'chicken strips' here! ;D

So, in the dry, on gravel and cobblestone paved roads the Conti Trail Attack performs very well. That good, that I do trust to make the statement that this tyre is at this moment the best available for our Varadero!

The only thing we could not test was the performance on the wet. Although this summer has started of as one of the wet ever, we did not have any rain during yesterdays ride out. The air temperature was around 17 degrees Celsius so I recon that road performance will only increase if the air temperature rises…

I do doubt that the Trail Attack will last as long as my last set of H version Anakees… The Trail Attack just invites to play!

Another thing: this tyre does not come cheap. The price tag is rated somewhere between the Michelin Anakee and the Michelin Pilot Road.

We will keep you posted. Next month we will have a ride out in to the German Black Forrest and the Austrian / German Alps on which we will see how the Attack performs under stress full situations. We will keep you posted!
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:24 AM   #80
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Just to kick off...

Last few weeks (september 2007) Karinda and I covered 3.695 km in only 7 days of riding. We ‘kicked’ of in the German Black Forest for an meeting of the Dutch Transalp- and Varaderoclub, including some nice ride-outs in the Black Forest (among one of the road books guiding us up to the former mountain racetrack ‘Schau-ins-land’ near the city of Freiburg), several kilometres of high-speed travelling on the German Motorways, in to the cities of Vienna and Budapest and through the Czech Bohemian Forest.

It has shown to be the perfect ride for a mutual (and comparising) test between the new set of Michelin Anakee’s on Karinda’s Dero and the Trail Attacks on mine. And before you start reading… It has been written at this topic by Darth_Varadero: “If I told you how pleased I am with them in the wet as well as the dry, you'd think I was exaggerating”… Well… After the lot of you have finished this report, you will think the same. But believe me, it happened to me, and it could happen to you as well!

To start of at the Black Forrest:
We arrived one day before the meeting at our Biker friendly motel in Bad Peterstall-Griesbach. Whiles Karinda went to the village for some shopping, I followed a tip from the hotel owner to ride back to the B500, from there down the L92 down to Oppenau. In Oppenau turn right to the Falls of Allerheiligen on the K5370 (Lierbachstrasse) and follow this road up to it gets back to the B500. Turn right again and you have a perfect circle which will make you dazzling from all the curves and hairpins!

Wow. I said it before, and I say it again. The road was dry, and I covered the 75 km stretch with that much ease that I rode it twice. The Trail Attack sticks latterly to the tar as chewing gum underneath a pair of sneakers. Even the ‘hazardous’ bitumen repairs to the tar – which have given be a few surprises finding them under my Michelin Anakees – where not able to struck the Trail Attacks. For the very, very first time in my live I managed to get the ABS (Anti Locks) of the Dero in to function… On the rear brake!!! And it felt good, sooo good!

The next day we covered 225 km to the ‘Bergrennstrasse’ of Schau Ins Land near Freiburg. Same story, again. Both the Trail Attack and the Michelin Anakee are very much near to each other if it goes to the question of performance. Karinda even managed to get the nipples of her foot pegs (yes, FOOT pegs, what you thought else?) on the tarmac… Being a guy I naturally knows that this only could be accomplished because we lowered her Dero 3 cm, but I really can not find any excuse why she sticked in my rear view mirror. Ah, must be that 30 kg extra weight of an MK2 with ABS…

Once up the mountain, both the Trail Attacks and the Anakees where smelling like burning rubber… I could easily get addicted to that smell though…

The next day we covered another 270 km in the Northern Black Forest. Again many curvy roads, and just before we got back to our hotel: Rain. The mountain pass between Griesbach and Freudenstadt was covered in fog and the rain made the road wet like a river, but again: Never I felt that much confident on wet roads; if I was still riding on the Anakees.

In the following days we rode both our bikes to Vienna and Budapest (See also our VIM10 update rapport) and covered most of the stretch on the German, Austrian and Hungarian motorways, under dry conditions. After our visit to Budapest, we rode back to our next hotel in the Czech Republic, in the middle of the famous Bohemian Forest. From Budapest 500 km in one day. A day, that temperatures dropped from 25 degrees just a few days earlier to 5 degrees, the snowline dropped to under 1.000 metres and the whole area was covered in what seemed to the a central European Moesson rain. Rain, storm… Perfect opportunity for the Continental to prove it selves against the rain-proved Michelin Anakee, on motorways, country roads and curvy mountain roads
We returned back yesterday evening, covering the last 1.000 km from Stachy in the Czech Republic to our home on mostly German motorways. Cruising at 150 km/h, occasionally toping to 170 km/h (100 mls/h+) I just finished cleaning both bikes, having a closer look to the tyres.

Chicken Stripes are definitely history as soon as you start using the Continental Trail Attack. Even at high speeds you can just take both hands away from the steering bar – and nothing happens: no shifferings in the steering bar, no speed wobbling, nothing. The bike just moves on in a straight line if it was the Ulysses Train on a rail track. And although I still think that in rain the Michelin Anakee is (just a little, very little) better as the Trail Attack, the overall performance I enjoyed the last 3.695 km from my Continental Trail Attacks have the balance weight turned in favour of the Conti’s. It is just the better tyre, and maybe the best money can buy for a big trail bike like the Dero available at this moment.

What is noticeable: the tyre wears down quicker as the Anakees on Karinda’s bike. But like I have written before… The Trail Attack just invites to play, invites to burn rubber… Even the most sensible Varadero rider would easily become a road hooligan if he/she could not resist the temptations of the Continental Trail Attack.

In the Dutch club several of our Varadero riding members have been changing for the Trail Attack as well. And although most of them haven't been able to cover that much mileage, their first impressions are just sharing my enthusiasm.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:25 AM   #81
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Yesterday I had a 'coincidental' test ride (call it a close encounter...) of a different type... Which by the way has only confirmed the unbelievable grip of the Trail Attack.

Both Karinda and me where invited for a motorcycle tour of one of the clients for which our office works for. It was a nice tour in to the most northern parts of our Province.

It is autumn, and this area is well known for its potato- and sugar beet fields and both are being harvested now. Result: huge quantities of dirt thrown on the streets by agricultural vehicles...

As long as it is dry, no worries. But:

In this part of our province, the soul is not 'regularly' dirt, but sea-clay. Our durable red-brick houses are 100% made from oven-backed clay bricks and wen it gets wet, it is sticky as chewing gun under a pair of sneakers - but also slippery as soap.

Well,... it was dry. Until we had our coffee stop. During the coffee it started to rain, for almost an hour. And after that...
The roads where covered in fat, sticky and slippery clay.

Both the Anakee on Karinda's bike and the Trail Attack on my bike acted just as good as possible under these circumstances. Off course, we did have to adjust our speed, but I never got the impression that I was loosing grip.

Got some pics to share with you:

The complete rear-section has now been covered in clay...


Close-up of my rear tyre showing how sticky that Clay looks

The only new thing I discovered... The bitumen repairs I already mentioned under the Anakee topic>? Well, if they are wet as well, they are slippery. But I guess that they will be slippery under wet conditions for all tyres, despite the brand and type. Heck, they can be slippery even when it is dry! So, please take care always and under every possible circumstances... Even a brilliant tyre as the Conti Trail Attack is not the holy grail!

I haven't cleaned the bike (yet), but preparing my self for another ride out tomorrow with our Dutch club. A ride out which contains also a few stretches of dirt roads (sand, lucky for me no more clay!) but since we had a fair share of rain the last few days, it will be a bid muddy... The TA is not a real offroad tyre, but I am still very interested in how this tyre will perform if the tarmac ends...

Keep you posted.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:26 AM   #82
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Another brief update to this brilliant new tyre...

Today we had an ride out with the Dutch club. The road book covered not only twisty country roads, but also dirt roads, gravel and... sand.

It is a strange country I am living in... Wasn't I riding in fat,
sticky and wet clay last Friday, today (Sunday) I was riding in dry sand if it was a sand dune in the middle of the Sahara desert...

And again the Trail Attack surprised me. I have taken my MK1 off road, on several occasions, and always with semi-road tyres like the Michelin T66 and the Michelin Anakee. But I never had the trust do do the same with my MK2 ABS; after all, the MK2 ABS is at least 30 kg heavier as an MK1 and that little extra weight is noticeable leaving the paved roads...

The Trail Attack surprised me in two ways: First of all, the 'course' stability. Where the Anakee tried to search the right way in lose sand and gravel, the Trail Attack just followed my eyes... As soon as the tyre was trying to find his own way, just a little throttle was enough to get back on one line again.

On (very) lose sand the rear tyre was surprising by the amount of grip it generates - again. Although the sand was that lose - lose enough to allow the bike to 'dig-in' to his rear Axel - nothing happened...

Must admit that when the going got tough, I was happy to use my legs as support... But I did not had to work that hard as I thought I needed to...

Looking at the trail the tyre leaves on sand, it is clear that the grip just continues where the paved path ends...

The Trail Attack is still a tyre designed for maximum grip on paved roads, and can not be compared with - for example the TKC 80 - but the TA won't disappoint beyond...


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The last posting will be the finishing one on this test rating... I am working on it. At this moment, both front- and rear tyres have been covering over 13.000 km which is not as good as the 18.000 km I got from my last set of Anankees, but good enough! The tyre stays superb till last moment; last month we covered 4.500 km in the Alps, Greece, Slovenia, Croatia, Italy, Hungary and fully loaded on high speed on the German Motorways; we had rain flooded roads, icy roads, mud and clay covered roads and although the Anakee stays the best rain tyre available - I would never change back.

The overall impression of the Train Attack is just so good... It is the first tyre in my 16 years (and 275.000 km) of motorcycling experiences that I used a motorcycle tyre from which the sides are wearing down quicker as the middle section - but the tyre just invites to play. The tyre doesn’t do anything wrong, feels secure under all circumstances from gravel roads, tight cornering (watch your foot pegs!) to high speed (+ 180 km/h with luggage) touring on the German motorways. The bike is less affected by side wind as it was on the Michelin Anakee and does not give any reaction to ‘scraped’ tarmac or bitumen repairs.

There have been some poor experiences though which should be mentioned here as well. In one case (Netherlands) this experience was caused by the fact that the tyre was mounted the wrong way - opposite the riding direction - that caused very bad road handling. After it was changed, the owner directly experienced the positive feelings as shared by so many of the Conti riders on the old forum.

Shortcut... I will order a new pair, for sure! Karinda will test ride the new MK2 Anakee which is recently modified.
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Translation was made for the International Varadero Forum, but the test was also published in the Dutch edit of Motorrad, Motoplus.

Happy to share a brief summary with you guys 'n girls:

For those who are not convinced yet...

In the most recent edition of the German bike magazine "Motorrad" (After BIKE the 2nd large magazine on this globe) there is an interesting test of big trail bike tyres. The following tyres have been tested:

> Avon Distanzia

> Bridgestone Battle Wing

> Continental Trail Attack

> Dunlop Trailmax D 607

> Metzeler Tourance EXP

> Michelin Anakee II

> Pirelli Scorpion MT 90

The tyres where tested on 7 BMW R1200GS Adventures which where hunted from Germany to the isle of Sicily (well known from VIM8) and back. A wet surface test was performed on a closed race track.

And with no surprise the Continental Trail Attack came out as absolute test winner. The tyre was rated best of test because its livespan, all-around grip and the best behaviour during the emergency stop (shortest stopping distance).

Only the new Tourance EXP and the Anakee 2 where considered slightly better on wet surface.

Loser is the Avon Distanzia which could not convince during this test.

The testrating can be viewed here:
http://www.motorradonline.de/test/re...eu.292589.htm#

It is in German, however.

For the Dutch and Belgium members: the test rating was also published in the Dutch version of Motorrad, "Motoplus".

Results:

1. Continental Trail Attack, 329 out of 400 points
2. Metzeler Tourance EXP, 299 out of 400
3. Pirelli Scorpion MT90, 293 out of 400
4. Bridgestone Battlewing and Dunlop Trailmax D607, both 287 out of 400 points
5. Michelin Anakee 2, 275 out of 400
6. Avon Distanzia, 269 out of 400.
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Today (the day I made this last posting)...

I haven't replaced them (yet), because... even after 15.000 km and almost one year there is still enough profile on the tyre... Unbelievable! In the next month I do have to ride some distances (to the German Teutenburgerwald, the Weserbergland and the French Vogeze mountains) setting another 4.000 km on the ODO of the Varadero.

And I reckon that I will get that extra mileage from my current set of Conti's Keep you posted and I will put some pics on line.

Just a little comparing with the Anakees put on Karinda (my wife) her Varadero XL1000V at the same time I changed for the Trail Attack: although she has used the bike for apr. 2.000 km less than I have, the wearing of the Anakee is a lot more visible as from the Trail Attack... Which is a little strange, because it seemed in the start that the Conti wears down quicker than the Michelin... But where the wearing down of the Michelin just increases with the mileage, the wearing of the Conti remains on a more equal level...
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Today (the day I made this last posting)...I haven't replaced them (yet), because... even after 15.000 km and almost one year there is still enough profile on the tyre... Unbelievable!
a year? WTF.. I put mine on in June. Im at about 8500mi and Ill be needing some in a wee bit.

Im loving them though
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Of course you are referring to the Road Attack with this observation. I have not noticed this trait is any worse than any other tire I have used. In fact, I think the Trail Attack does very well on tar snakes. There are tons of them on the corners of one stretch of my commute and I don't even take note of them now that I have the Trail Attacks on. I won't make any comment on the paint stipes as I always ride over them gingerly when it's wet out.
Agree with the above. Before changing to the TA's, I really fell in love with the Michelin Anakee. But I never encountered a motorcycle tyre who is more 'sensitive' to tar snakes (love that expression); esspecialy in corners, and on scraped asphalt or cracks in riding direction the Anakee really had to struggle to keep the bike in a straight line.

The Trail Attack doesn't even wiggle; increasing the confident feeling I have with this Conti; even under my Honda (knowing that the frame/engine of the BMW GS is stiffer)

No, the Conti Trail Attack is a stayer on our bikes. For sure.
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Agree with the above. Before changing to the TA's, I really fell in love with the Michelin Anakee. But I never encountered a motorcycle tyre who is more 'sensitive' to tar snakes (love that expression); esspecialy in corners, and on scraped asphalt or cracks in riding direction the Anakee really had to struggle to keep the bike in a straight line.

The Trail Attack doesn't even wiggle; increasing the confident feeling I have with this Conti; even under my Honda (knowing that the frame/engine of the BMW GS is stiffer)

No, the Conti Trail Attack is a stayer on our bikes. For sure.
funny, i just had the exact opposite experience with the TA's on my 1150 GS ADV. i've been using anakees for a few years and really liked them.

i just tried one set of Conti TAs. just swapped them on sunday. just under 10,000 miles (same as i was getting on anakees). still some tread left but it was a convenient time to swap them.

put a new set of anakees on to confirm my thoughts about the TA's.

i've found them to be a little more slippery on wet pavement than i remember the anakees being. and i had several "pucker" moments on tar snakes with the TA's. i don't remember ever having that with the anakees.

i ride about 15-20K miles a year so i've been going through a lot of tires. i'm curious to see if i'll still like the anakees after trying the TA's.
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conti T A 's get the nod in my book

I have about 600 miles on my conti TA's. Thus far, they feel planted a bit better ( than the anakees) after 20 miles on a gravel road, far more stable in a straight line with and w/o cross winds, transisitions into curves with better feeling than the Anakees, bike feels more like a track set up machine. Very much confidance inspiring. The little bit I use them in the wet has been ok... but time needed here to be sure. I think the aforementioned article in german ( which i xlated) is very accurate. I much prefer the feel and feedback of the Contis over the Anakees.....and the Anakees were not that bad...not that bad at all.
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Ok....so Im ready to change out my TA's. I think I got aobut 8.5K miles out of them. Pushed them pretty hard though. Ill get some pics up this weekend.
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