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Old 10-23-2014, 11:01 AM   #1
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Any Wagoneer Buffs Out There?

I'm thinking about starting the hunt for a Jeep Grand Wagoneer. While I love the Bronco I have it sucks getting a 4 year old and a 6 month old in and out of the back.

All of my Jeep experience has been with the CJ/YJ/TJ platform. Looking for shackle rot and Peugeot trannys and such. Are there any "Don't buy it if it has XXXX going on!"for the FSJ platform?

What I have noticed is they are f'in expensive if they are decent so obviously I'm looking for a fixer upper. Also looks like the wheel opening shape limits tire size which is probably a good thing.
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:07 PM   #2
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Watch for rust just like any jeep

Avoid 80-81 some had odd ball vac diconnects in the front diff. In my area it seems they are pristine and bring crazy money or they are ready for the scrap yard. Not a lot of in between Waggys.
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:43 PM   #3
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What are you really looking for 1984-91 Grand Wagoneer or 63-83 Wagoneer?
Badging changed in 84 when the XJ models came out. Yeah either are gonna have stupid asking prices in the rust belt states. Everyone out there thinks if it's older than their socks it's a collectable worth silly money. The GW era wags are decent "hobby" rigs but do have their issues too. Rust, electrics and previous owner improvements/modifications. Oh I should also mention expect 12 mpgs hwy with a tuned "good" runner. If you're just looking for 4 doors I'd suggest a 91 and later model XJ. but with your road salt issues a lot of those have gone back to earth too. For a "real" full-size Jeep consideration check out ifsja.org For the later XJ era naxja.org I've had a few of both and for a daily driver I'd recommend the later XJ's. Much less maint and parts finding issues.
If you feel you really must have a real FSJ spend the money on one from out west outside the rust belt. They're fun cool rigs but buy the best condition stock one you can find. Trying to buy and fix up a cheap modified, rough, tired, rusted one will be a never ending time consuming money pit.
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:05 PM   #4
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This guy has been in Kerrville, Texas, for years...

http://www.wagonmaster.com/


He's carved-out quite the niche business. He's kinda' like the Wayne Carini of Wagoneers (with similar pricing ). When I used to have time to ride, and found myself in Kerrville, I would always swing by his lot.

I know his prices are probably not what you're looking for. However, it's always nice to cruise his "Inventory" page...and dream.


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Old 10-23-2014, 03:15 PM   #5
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They seem to have reached the point of become "A THING TO HAVE!" and the prices are going up, uP, UP!

Finding a bargain Wagoneer is getting harder and harder.

Something to consider, Land Rovers Discoveries are going for pennies on the dollar these days. There's a reason for it, honestly. That said, if you have a "backup vehicle" and can park the rig while the parts are shipped, it's not really that much worse to maintain a Discovery than any other modern 4x4. I have a Discovery II, but I'd prefer a Discovery I knowing what I know now. The DI is the same as a Land Rover Defender and Range Rover Classic from the chassis down, just with a different body on top. The Defender and RRC go for a lot more than the DI does, making the DI a better deal in a lot of ways.
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Old 10-23-2014, 03:44 PM   #6
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Thanks for the feedback. This is going to be a "toy" vehicle for the beach and putting around. I had given an XJ some thought but they have no character. My wife is a big fan of the wood sides but I think I may need to show her the price of some of the good ones. May bring her back to earth. Have have been thinking of a Disco but there is much on the list. Basically my critiria is 4 doors, 4x4, and an actual frame. It would help if it's older than 25 years or qualifies for classic insurance. I'm a Ford guy so if I was gonna go away from that it would probably be a jeep. I like the size of the Wagonner and the fact that it has a tailgate and solid axles. Not to crazy about the transfer case options but that can always be rectified.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:27 PM   #7
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They seem to have reached the point of become "A THING TO HAVE!" and the prices are going up, uP, UP!

Finding a bargain Wagoneer is getting harder and harder.

Something to consider, Land Rovers Discoveries are going for pennies on the dollar these days. There's a reason for it, honestly. That said, if you have a "backup vehicle" and can park the rig while the parts are shipped, it's not really that much worse to maintain a Discovery than any other modern 4x4. I have a Discovery II, but I'd prefer a Discovery I knowing what I know now. The DI is the same as a Land Rover Defender and Range Rover Classic from the chassis down, just with a different body on top. The Defender and RRC go for a lot more than the DI does, making the DI a better deal in a lot of ways.

I loved my Disco II until it slipped a cylinder sleeve and I donated it to charity. Of course, this happened right after I redid the top end…and I never could get leaks in the roof to stop…and….
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:34 PM   #8
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This guy has been in Kerrville, Texas, for years...

http://www.wagonmaster.com/


He's carved-out quite the niche business. He's kinda' like the Wayne Carini of Wagoneers (with similar pricing ). When I used to have time to ride, and found myself in Kerrville, I would always swing by his lot.

I know his prices are probably not what you're looking for. However, it's always nice to cruise his "Inventory" page...and dream.


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The cheapest Wagoneer is $43,000. Dafuq?
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:37 PM   #9
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Hey, 13, you mentioned you like your Bronco but it's the kiddies into & outta the back seat, right? Uncle Nico has the answer. Again. As usual.

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Old 10-23-2014, 04:38 PM   #10
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Old 10-23-2014, 06:00 PM   #11
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Hey, 13, you mentioned you like your Bronco but it's the kiddies into & outta the back seat, right? Uncle Nico has the answer. Again. As usual.

There's a blue one of those just up the road from me.



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Old 10-23-2014, 07:58 PM   #12
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I have had and built 4 of them. Yep high maint. But no other vehicle can do what it can do. Loved my Early Bronco's as well, and the flatfender's I grew up with. I wish someone would make an updated Wagoneer. My wifes Grand Cherokee so misses the mark as compared to the old Wagoneer.





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Old 10-23-2014, 09:01 PM   #13
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First thing to do if you get one i replace every vacuum line in the thing.

All of them. It'll prevent so many odd problems you'll have later.

If I recall most of 'em were either the 360 or the 400. I recall one was a boat anchor, but couldn't tell ya which anymore.
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Old 10-24-2014, 04:47 AM   #14
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Hey, 13, you mentioned you like your Bronco but it's the kiddies into & outta the back seat, right? Uncle Nico has the answer. Again. As usual.


Yeah. My neighbor has a Centurion conversion. Cool factor for days but If I decide to go with something that big I'll go whole hog on a 7.3 Excursion. Add in my "City Folk Problems", there is a hydrant in front of my house so the shorter the better.

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I have had and built 4 of them.

Thats what Im talking about. Great set up. Is that 4" and 31's?
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Old 10-24-2014, 04:52 AM   #15
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This is suspect but it's the next town over so I'll go take a look. Hard to tell by the pictures but it looks like someone has already started patching the rust.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/4721906951.html
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