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Old 07-26-2013, 09:46 AM   #721
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I read that a couple of days ago. Fantastic news - that will be UBER cool!

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Old 07-26-2013, 10:08 AM   #722
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Jesus that is a truly enormous engine. Does it have a radius limit in the curves it can take?
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:58 PM   #723
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Jesus that is a truly enormous engine. Does it have a radius limit in the curves it can take?
I'm sure it does, but keep in mind that one of the sets of drivers pivots beneather the frame, so that limit can be much smaller than otherwise.
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:59 PM   #724
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Holy.. sh....

I bet they'll spend some serious coin on that project. Not to mention making sure the infrastructure is up to the task of carrying such a load.

Now someone drag the Allegheny out of the Henry Ford Museum, and let's have us a pullin' contest.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:32 PM   #725
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The UP Big Boy was an articulated engine - each engine pivoted separately on its own drivers.

The Big Boy could negotiate a 20 degree curve. Not much, but not bad for an 85-foot-long engine with a 72-and-a-half foot wheelbase.

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Old 07-26-2013, 07:29 PM   #726
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Jesus that is a truly enormous engine. Does it have a radius limit in the curves it can take?
288' radius curve.
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Old 07-27-2013, 03:41 PM   #727
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That is awesome. Never thought we'd see one under steam again.

Wish the same thing were true of electric locos. Seeing a GG-1 under the wires a couple miles from my house would be amazing (I barely remember it as a kid), but all the remaining ones have apparently been gutted because of some toxic something-or-other they had in them.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:25 AM   #728
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Interesting archeology...discovery of the oldest-known example of standard-gauge rails.

http://archaeology.org/news/1129-130...e-wooden-rails
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:46 PM   #729
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Holy.. sh....

I bet they'll spend some serious coin on that project. Not to mention making sure the infrastructure is up to the task of carrying such a load.

Now someone drag the Allegheny out of the Henry Ford Museum, and let's have us a pullin' contest.

When the Challenger series loco was in the area here, they had issues with the track it was on sinking into the ground. I'm sure the Big Boy isn't any lighter. It may limit the areas it is allowed to travel on....
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These are interesting background pieces on the Big Boys

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Big_Boy
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:08 PM   #731
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I think I read previously on this thread that there was more than one large steam locomotive imported from China in to the USA and it was new built as well?

also, that there is one (also new built) at the bottom of the pacific after it rolled off the side of a ship in a storm?

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Old 07-30-2013, 05:35 AM   #732
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I would have to google a bit, but I believe that one of the chinese imports is at the Grand Canyon RR and the other is in Iowa somewhere.
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I would have to google a bit, but I believe that one of the chinese imports is at the Grand Canyon RR and the other is in Iowa somewhere.
Looks like one went to the Valley RR in Connecticut.

NYT December 25, 1989
Steam Rides Again China Engines, U.S. Rails

Years and years ago, steam locomotives built in this area were exported to railroads around the world. And then more efficient diesel locomotives made steam rail travel obsolete, Now, two companies are importing from China 83-ton locomotives, based on a 1918 American design.

Two new steam engines were unloaded from a freighter on Dec. 17 at the Beckett Street Terminal in Camden, N.J., for the Knox & Kane Railroad in northwestern Pennsylvania and the Valley Railroad in Essex, Conn.

New steam locomotives have not been seen in the Port of Philadelphia since the 1950's, when the old Baldwin Locomotive Works went out of business, but steam engines have survived on short lines, hauling tourists.

Thousands of tourists line up each year to ride old-time trains. And the Chinese rely on steam locomotives. They Have the Manpower

They are sturdy, and China has plenty of the manpower and coal that the great engines require.

J. David Conrad of the Valley Railroad waited for the new steam engine at the marine terminal. ''The repairs we found necessary on our existing locomotives got the railroads thinking about new locomotives,'' he said, The last maker of steam locomotives is the Tangshan Locomotive & Rolling Stock Works, about 140 miles east of Beijing. Mr. Conrad went to the Chinese in 1986 to arrange a sale and soon afterward the Knox & Kane line followed suit.
Sloan Cornell, the Knox & Kane general manager, said the new engine would haul tourists through part of the Allegheny National Forest. The main attraction of the Knox & Kane is the 300-foot-high, 2,053-foot-long Kinzua Bridge. About 17,000 people rode the Knox & Kane in 1988.

The Valley Railroad carries about 130,000 passengers a year on its six-mile trip along the west shore of the Connecticut River from Essex to Chester, Conn.

A delegation from Valley visited three locomotive factories in China and decided on the Class SY from Tangshan. Lynn Parrott, the president of the Valley Railroad, said later that the new locomotive was worth the $300,000 price. Learning American Ways

Earlier in the 20th century, the United States built steam engines for export to Japan. They were nicknamed ''Mikados.''

Mr. Conrad said the Valley line had chosen a smaller locomotive over a larger one offered at a plant in Datong, and that he and his party also preferred Tangshan's construction methods and the willingness of the Tangshan engineering staff to study American boiler codes and railroad guidelines.

When the new Chinese locomotive finally arrives in Connecticut, Ms. Parrott said, it will be the line's primary engine. She said she doubted that passengers would mind that it was not an antique.

''The majority of people who come here just like to ride behind a steam engine,'' she said. ''Besides, the engine being new and coming from China may arouse some curiosity.''

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Old 07-30-2013, 07:00 AM   #734
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China built their last steam locomotive in 1999 according to this youtube video.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:03 AM   #735
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And Barnyard is right about Iowa, and the Connecticut Loco moved to Joisey.

TRAINS News Wire Breaking News, April 21, 2006
More Chinese steam coming to the U.S.

PITTSBURGH * Mainline steam in China is finished, but two Chinese locomotives will have a second life in U.S. in 2006, with three more possibly coming later. Railroad Development Corp. of Pittsburgh said Friday it has acquired a pair of Chinese class QJ 2-10-2 locomotives, including No. 7081, which had the distinction of hauling the world’s last regularly scheduled mainline steam passenger train. The other is No. 6988. RDC (www.rrdc.com ) is a privately held railway management and investment company which owns or has financial interests in rail properties in the U.S. and six other countries in Latin America, Africa, and Europe, including the Iowa Interstate Railroad linking Chicago, Des Moines, and Omaha.

According to RDC Chairman Henry Posner III, the two locomotives were overhauled in China by the Jinzhou 701 Works to meet U.S. Federal Railroad Administration standards, under the supervision of steam consultant Dennis Daugherty and under contract with U.S. company Multipower International. They were being shipped through the Chinese port of Dalian, and upon arrival in the U.S. will be shipped to the Iowa Interstate on special eight-axle flatcars. Once in Iowa, the pair will be fired up and operated once, to demonstrate that they are FRA compliant and operate properly. Posner says the locomotives will probably be tested in regular freight service on the Iowa Interstate.

Why bring Chinese steam to the U.S.? “It’s a test of the market, without any preconceived notions,” Posner said. “I didn’t see anyone else putting their hands up to buy these engines in the last year.” Ideally, there would be a market to resell the engines to regional or tourist railroads. Absent that, other methods of generating revenue would be examined, such as serious photo charters or renting them out. If there is a market for the locomotives, RDC has an option to buy three more QJs.

The QJ (a derivation of the Soviet LV class) was the last Chinese steam design to go into production and was the most numerous steam class to run in China. The first prototypes were introduced in 1956. Eventually more than 4,700 QJs were built, the majority between 1964 and 1988. The Datong Locomotive Works built No. 7081 in 1986, while No. 6988 was built in 1985. Two Chinese-built steam locomotives, both 2-8-2s built in 1988, currently operate in the U.S., hauling tourists. A class JS runs on Iowa’s Boone & Scenic Valley, and a class SY, built for Connecticut’s Valley Railroad, was sold to the New York, Susquehanna & Western, which transferred the engine to the NYS&W Historical Society, which operates it on the Bel-Del line at Phillipsburg, N.J. A third 1988 Chinese 2-8-2, also class SY, is in storage in Pennsylvania, having worked on the now-embargoed Knox & Kane tourist line to Kinzua Viaduct. - Steve Glischinski
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