Adventure in Ohio?

[OHtard]

Originally Posted by MeefZah

Yeah, I s'pose the charge could be theft and possession of criminal tools.

We stopped at a church yesterday in WV to take a break and cool off, it was 100 according to my dash; and they had one of those security spigots on their tap. Tim noted that Jesus likely wouldn't have wanted us to have water.

I have one of those spigot keys on a key chain, but normally just use the needle nose pliers on my leatherman.

[gelandestrasse]

Originally Posted by MrFurious

Update on the range situation: Suffice to say, the board voted last night and we won't be allowing the folks at SurplusRiflesForum.com to host any future events at our range. This most recent event (the ricochet issue) is just one in a long string we've had with them over the past 3 years, and for what little we make renting them the range it's not worth our time, hassle and liability to continue to do so.

Our range rules are in the first post of this thread and pics start on page 18. There's also a separate photo/video thread here. I'm guessing most here will easily see the numerous rule violations just looking through the pics and videos. Here's a few hints as to what to look for:

1. Target stands placed in middle of 100 yard range (@ 50 yards) with no direct backstop.
2. High power rifles being used on the pistol range
3. High power rifles being used on reactive targets on pistol range during 3-gun match (not designed for such use and just destroys our targets which aren't cheap)
4. People walking around range (away from firing line) with locked & cocked side arms
5. Setting up and using card tables as shooting tables outside of bench house resulting in in an angle of fire that would clearly miss the back stop berms at 100 and 200 yards.
6. Shooting at improvised targets (bottles, cans, bowling pins, whatever they were) in middle of range with no direct back stop.

I could go on and on....

It's a shame as it really is a fun time for those participating, but those in charge of the event clearly have little respect for our club, our rules or the range itself. Seems to be a common theme for them as I've heard they have been booted off at least two other ranges as well in the past for similar behavior.

So if you're in Ohio, Indiana or Michigan and belong to a range you might want to warn them not to rent to these folks to host their events as they will be looking for a new home.

IIRC a common .22 LR round has a range of a mile and a half. What is the range of the rifles they were using? I wonder if the homeowner's complaint could be legit.

[MrFurious]

Originally Posted by gelandestrasse

IIRC a common .22 LR round has a range of a mile and a half. What is the range of the rifles they were using? I wonder if the homeowner's complaint could be legit.

Yes, a bullet that doesn't meet an obstruction has a very long range IF fired at an upward angle rather than parallel or very near parallel to the ground. However, as soon as a bullet makes contact with an object, even something as small as a blade of grass, it causes the bullet to deform, tumble, or both. As a result, the deformation will obliterate the bullets ballistic coefficient (aerodynamics/drag coefficient) which in turn will cause it to bleed off both velocity and energy at a drastically increased rate. Tumbling has the same effect (think of a football - a perfect spiral vs. a lame duck or tipped pass).

Additionally, the path of the bullet will change, and in this case it would have to be upward at a significant angle to clear the backstop berm. That means that besides energy/velocity being lost at an alarming rate due to deformation and tumbling, it's also now fighting more gravity as it climbs which further slows it down. The angle of travel will also greatly reduce the range of its arc.

Welcome to downrange ballistics 101


In short, it would literally take the perfect combination of conditions and variables for a ricochet bullet to end up where this guy claims. Possible? Yes. Plausible? Not likely as the odds would be astronomical. If a bullet had retained enough energy/velocity to travel that far it would have been moving to fast to allow the minimal cross wind on that day to push it as far as necessary to even cross his property.

[swingset]

Originally Posted by sion

that sounds like fun...depending on when, I might be interested in that...if you'd allow an XR250 tag along
oh, and I recommend that your endpoint in Zanesville should be Muddy Misers

I don't mind an XR taggin along, I might run it on the TTR anyway. I'm probably going to do one exploratory loop Saturday if it's not 105 degrees or storming out, and then a final loop closer to the event.

[CBBaron]

Originally Posted by swingset

I don't mind an XR taggin along, I might run it on the TTR anyway. I'm probably going to do one exploratory loop Saturday if it's not 105 degrees or storming out, and then a final loop closer to the event.

When are you planning the event?
I hadn't noticed any announcements.

Craig

[swingset]

Originally Posted by CBBaron

When are you planning the event?
I hadn't noticed any announcements.

Craig

Still debating that. I need to look at some events calendars and make sure I'm not on the same weekend as a rally or DS ride, and also avoid the hottest days of the summer.

I was hoping to do an early summer and a fall ride.

[gelandestrasse]

Originally Posted by MrFurious

Yes, a bullet that doesn't meet an obstruction has a very long range IF fired at an upward angle rather than parallel or very near parallel to the ground. However, as soon as a bullet makes contact with an object, even something as small as a blade of grass, it causes the bullet to deform, tumble, or both. As a result, the deformation will obliterate the bullets ballistic coefficient (aerodynamics/drag coefficient) which in turn will cause it to bleed off both velocity and energy at a drastically increased rate. Tumbling has the same effect (think of a football - a perfect spiral vs. a lame duck or tipped pass).

Additionally, the path of the bullet will change, and in this case it would have to be upward at a significant angle to clear the backstop berm. That means that besides energy/velocity being lost at an alarming rate due to deformation and tumbling, it's also now fighting more gravity as it climbs which further slows it down. The angle of travel will also greatly reduce the range of its arc.

Welcome to downrange ballistics 101


In short, it would literally take the perfect combination of conditions and variables for a ricochet bullet to end up where this guy claims. Possible? Yes. Plausible? Not likely as the odds would be astronomical. If a bullet had retained enough energy/velocity to travel that far it would have been moving to fast to allow the minimal cross wind on that day to push it as far as necessary to even cross his property.

Ricochet no, carelessly fired shot...

[mpenner]

Originally Posted by swingset

Wise. You're learning, young jedi.



Anyone wanna help me with the Big Bike Adventure 2.0? I am in the serious planning stages and have much of the route down, would like to have a person or two to help me out this time, either lead a second group or run sweep. I'm going to test the route this weekend, make notes, time it, etc.

I will pay with wampum and admiring stares.

The route departs the R&M Diner in Mt. Vernon and ends up in Zanesville, around 149 miles but almost entirely back roads. I haven't a clue the date yet, but will be soon hopefully.

I am interested, but I am not sure yet of my plans for this weekend.

[buildit]

The route departs the R&M Diner in Mt. Vernon and ends up in Zanesville, around 149 miles but almost entirely back roads. I haven't a clue the date yet, but will be soon hopefully.

Any off road or single track along the route or is this like a "road enduro" style bike ride?

[mic_detonator]

After riding with meef i gotta ask, how fast we riding in the gravel?

[swingset]

Originally Posted by buildit

Any off road or single track along the route or is this like a "road enduro" style bike ride?

It'll be just like my last one, big-bike (Strom, GSA, whatever) capable. Secondary roads, gravel, and a couple light trails with a "bailout" for the timid.

[dragoon]

Originally Posted by MrFurious

Update on the range situation: Suffice to say, the board voted last night and we won't be allowing the folks at SurplusRiflesForum.com to host any future events at our range. This most recent event (the ricochet issue) is just one in a long string we've had with them over the past 3 years, and for what little we make renting them the range it's not worth our time, hassle and liability to continue to do so.

Our range rules are in the first post of this thread and pics start on page 18. There's also a separate photo/video thread here. I'm guessing most here will easily see the numerous rule violations just looking through the pics and videos. Here's a few hints as to what to look for:

1. Target stands placed in middle of 100 yard range (@ 50 yards) with no direct backstop.
2. High power rifles being used on the pistol range
3. High power rifles being used on reactive targets on pistol range during 3-gun match (not designed for such use and just destroys our targets which aren't cheap)
4. People walking around range (away from firing line) with locked & cocked side arms
5. Setting up and using card tables as shooting tables outside of bench house resulting in in an angle of fire that would clearly miss the back stop berms at 100 and 200 yards.
6. Shooting at improvised targets (bottles, cans, bowling pins, whatever they were) in middle of range with no direct back stop.

I could go on and on....

It's a shame as it really is a fun time for those participating, but those in charge of the event clearly have little respect for our club, our rules or the range itself. Seems to be a common theme for them as I've heard they have been booted off at least two other ranges as well in the past for similar behavior.

So if you're in Ohio, Indiana or Michigan and belong to a range you might want to warn them not to rent to these folks to host their events as they will be looking for a new home.

At least you get to keep the range yes?

[MrFurious]

Originally Posted by dragoon

At least you get to keep the range yes?

Jury is still out on that one. He's talked to the club president again Saturday and basically implied that if it (supposed ricochet) happens again he'll sue without specifically saying so.

[invisible monster]

Any of you guys close to ZZV have a OBD II diagnostic tool? Our Legacy threw a CEL last night, want to check to see what it is. Went away after I removed and replaced the gas cap so I think I'm fine but would like to check for any codes.

Would love to do the pre-ride swingset but we will be sanding hardwood floors this weekend.

Also, I've been putting off checking the valves on my WR. As you can see, I'm full of excuses...

[r-3350]

Originally Posted by invisible monster

Any of you guys close to ZZV have a OBD II diagnostic tool? Our Legacy threw a CEL last night, want to check to see what it is. Went away after I removed and replaced the gas cap so I think I'm fine but would like to check for any codes.

Would love to do the pre-ride swingset but we will be sanding hardwood floors this weekend.

Also, I've been putting off checking the valves on my WR. As you can see, I'm full of excuses...

The auto parts stores advertize that they will scan yor vehicle for trouble codes. Have you tried Auto Zone or Advance ? Carl