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Old 10-13-2011, 07:41 AM   #40651
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My son recently turned 15 1/2 and is asking about upgrading from a moped to a motorcycle. Do you guys have any suggestions for a cheap, reliable, used bike that won't be painful to insure?
Watch Craigs list and if you find something interesting post it up and we'll pick it apart.
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:44 AM   #40652
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My first thought was to look for a 250cc Honda Rebel. The low seat height would be good for a kid, it's probably the same bike used in the MSF course, and with winter coming, people will probably be looking to dump bikes that aren't being ridden.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:11 AM   #40653
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My first thought was to look for a 250cc Honda Rebel. The low seat height would be good for a kid, it's probably the same bike used in the MSF course, and with winter coming, people will probably be looking to dump bikes that aren't being ridden.
If you like cruisers, both the Suzuki GZ250 and the Yamaha Virago 250 would be preferable to the Rebel 250 IMHO. The Rebel is underpowered, and normally that's not a gripe I have with a bike, especially for new riders, but I mean REALLY underpowered. They had a couple at our MSF and even the instructors hated them. I rode a TW200 and vastly preferred it to the cruisers.

My obvious recommendation for a noob is a used dual sport like a Super Sherpa or KLR250, which are lower but still offer all the advantages of a DS to a new rider, including the ability to learn in a safe environment, on a bike that can be knocked over without damage, more fun, cheaper, better upright seating position with better visibility, and easier to maintain, the list goes on.

A Ninja 250 would be a great scoot too for a new rider as well. They're cheap, plentiful, just right in the power and ergonomics department, and are easy to ride.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:11 AM   #40654
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My first thought was to look for a 250cc Honda Rebel. The low seat height would be good for a kid, it's probably the same bike used in the MSF course, and with winter coming, people will probably be looking to dump bikes that aren't being ridden.
Yeah, usually right after christmas the deals come out. Taxes and big bills force some low prices. Plus not many are looking for a new bike in January. Probably the most common cheap starter is the 250 Ninja. But don't hate on a good KLR250, DRZ400, CRF230, XT250 or DR350 just because they are dual sports.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:13 AM   #40655
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Ahhh, M as in motard. Can't say I know much about how it will handle anything the least bit muddy. I guess we'll just take it slow in those areas and provide help if needed.
yep. I hate the color red. (230L is red) it's the same as the L but diff wheels/tires. (and the seat is squisher and I like a happy ass) I'm replacing the rims as well (with same size as 230L)
I know, dork....but I REALLY hate the color red. will try to accomplish before Sunday but if not, help appreciated and laughter is just fine. I fully expect to be a turtle in need of recovery. Hell, I even bought a green jacket.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:18 AM   #40656
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My first thought was to look for a 250cc Honda Rebel. The low seat height would be good for a kid, it's probably the same bike used in the MSF course, and with winter coming, people will probably be looking to dump bikes that aren't being ridden.
Like this? Way under powered but for $400.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/mcy/2646453094.html
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:24 AM   #40657
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yep. I hate the color red. (230L is red) it's the same as the L but diff wheels/tires. (and the seat is squisher and I like a happy ass) I'm replacing the rims as well (with same size as 230L)
I know, dork....but I REALLY hate the color red. will try to accomplish before Sunday but if not, help appreciated and laughter is just fine. I fully expect to be a turtle in need of recovery. Hell, I even bought a green jacket.
Sounds like a big grocery list to get done. It begs the question, what do you want the bike to do? Be more dual sport oriented? Be a sexy road machine that looks off road-ish? Be a daily rider with light off road ability? I'd say right now the way it's set up is mostly the later. Little tweaks will improve it for different things but rider ability and skill can make bald tires and blown fork seals seem like a non issue. (Reference to crazyJ and his KLX250)
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:37 AM   #40658
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yep. I hate the color red. (230L is red) it's the same as the L but diff wheels/tires. (and the seat is squisher and I like a happy ass) I'm replacing the rims as well (with same size as 230L)
I know, dork....but I REALLY hate the color red. will try to accomplish before Sunday but if not, help appreciated and laughter is just fine. I fully expect to be a turtle in need of recovery. Hell, I even bought a green jacket.
If you air your tires down to 10-15psi when you get to the offroady parts, you can limp through the loose stuff or mud just fine, especially if you dog-paddle through it. Your bike isn't making enough power to spin the tires on the rims so it's not a big issue, just be a little more careful on the pavement.

I've taken the big Vstrom through some slop holes that way wearing street tires, it'll do it.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:56 AM   #40659
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If you air your tires down to 10-15psi when you get to the offroady parts, you can limp through the loose stuff or mud just fine, especially if you dog-paddle through it. Your bike isn't making enough power to spin the tires on the rims so it's not a big issue, just be a little more careful on the pavement.

I've taken the big Vstrom through some slop holes that way wearing street tires, it'll do it.
sweet. thanks! will you be joining us?
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:58 AM   #40660
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It begs the question, what do you want the bike to do? Be more dual sport oriented? Be a sexy road machine that looks off road-ish? Be a daily rider with light off road ability? I'd say right now the way it's set up is mostly the later. Little tweaks will improve it for different things but rider ability and skill can make bald tires and blown fork seals seem like a non issue. (Reference to crazyJ and his KLX250)
dual purpose. did I get f'cked by a dealer? most likely. weak moment. But it's what I own.
I like woods, camping. But also daily commuter to OSU (35 mile each way)
original plan was to ride it as is til the tires go and then replace the whole gig.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:17 AM   #40661
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yep. I hate the color red. (230L is red) it's the same as the L but diff wheels/tires. (and the seat is squisher and I like a happy ass) I'm replacing the rims as well (with same size as 230L)
I know, dork....but I REALLY hate the color red. will try to accomplish before Sunday but if not, help appreciated and laughter is just fine. I fully expect to be a turtle in need of recovery. Hell, I even bought a green jacket.
Everybody knows that the red bikes are the fastest ones !!! That`s why my KLR is red and my GS is red and my big fat ass is red......and I hate what ever color your bike is.....what color is it again? Guess I`ll have to show up Sunday in all my "RED" glory.........I mean
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:00 AM   #40662
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A Ninja 250 would be a great scoot too for a new rider as well. They're cheap, plentiful, just right in the power and ergonomics department, and are easy to ride.
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Probably the most common cheap starter is the 250 Ninja.
That's the one bike I immediately discounted. I figured with a 15 year old on a crotch rocket, my insurance agent would just bend me over without lube.

I'll take a look the the others mentioned, especially the DS bikes. I know I'm paying next to nothing for insurance, so hopefully his won't be too bad either.

Are there any DS bikes known for low seat height? He's a few inches shorter than me, so I'm guessing he's got a 27-28 inch inseam.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:03 AM   #40663
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My son recently turned 15 1/2 and is asking about upgrading from a moped to a motorcycle. Do you guys have any suggestions for a cheap, reliable, used bike that won't be painful to insure?

A Super Tenere would be good. Blue of course.

-Cheap compared to a Beemer
-Didn't break down yet
-Good luck finding a used one
-Insurance is not bad







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Old 10-13-2011, 10:11 AM   #40664
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...any thoughts are appreciated on a 50/50 tire.
I agree with Buildit on the Shinko 244. It's an inexpensive tire that will do fine on the road, and they make it in many sizes. Iron Pony has them, but not as cheap as you will find online.

If you do buy them, don't let Iron Pony put them on. Bring them up to Lewis Center and I'll swap them for you.

Also, try Tires Unlimited in Dayton if you strike out at Iron Pony.

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Your rear is - 130/70-17

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:37 AM   #40665
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I think the biggest issue you will have on gravel or offroad with the M is the 17" front, it will make going over obstacles harder than if it had a 21" front and will feel more wierd in loose stuff.

Re: tires

I really am not in love with the Shinko 244, but I acknowledge it is a decent, cheap tire.

For pavement with a bit of gravel, I like the Shinko 705. I've run these through several sets on the Stroms now. Rear lives about 7000 miles. Not great in mud.

For 50/50 use I like the Cheng Shin 858, which is a lot like the Shinko 244. For $100 a set, installed, you can't go wrong. Rear lives about 3500 miles on a big displacement thumper. Not great in mud.

For off road / gravel with a bit of pavement, I like the Kenda Trakmaster II. Rear lives about 2000 miles on a big displacement thumper. Good in mud.

I'm thinking about trying the Kenda Big Block dual sport tires on the DR next.
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