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Old 10-20-2011, 12:08 PM   #40876
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Okay, for six years now I've been told by the best riders I know about how weight DOES effect the ability of a tire to hook up. The more weight the less air pressure in theory you need to drop. Anyone else wanna confirm this for me?

If so maybe you can explain it to these guys ---> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733866

So far they are trying to tell me a Shinko 244 is the same as an Avon Gripster and that the rear on my 950 should be at 10psi off road. Granted I have a rim lock on the tire but 16 psi under roughly 700 lbs of bike and man meat should be enough. Right?

Larry, Rob, Tom, Shawn, Corey, or any other enduro riders wanna sound off on this?
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:14 PM   #40877
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Okay, for six years now I've been told by the best riders I know about how weight DOES effect the ability of a tire to hook up. The more weight the less air pressure in theory you need to drop. Anyone else wanna confirm this for me?

If so maybe you can explain it to these guys ---> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733866

So far they are trying to tell me a Shinko 244 is the same as an Avon Gripster and that the rear on my 950 should be at 10psi off road. Granted I have a rim lock on the tire but 16 psi under roughly 700 lbs of bike and man meat should be enough. Right?

Larry, Rob, Tom, Shawn, Corey, or any other enduro riders wanna sound off on this?


Tell them to use a good 50 weight synthetic.


Oh, wait. nevermind.

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Old 10-20-2011, 12:18 PM   #40878
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So far they are trying to tell me a Shinko 244 is the same as an Avon Gripster and that the rear on my 950 should be at 10psi off road.
First statement is retarded...the 244 is utterly different than a Gripster both in block pattern and in compound, sidewall thickness and so on. The 244 is a much better offroad tire, period.

Second statement is pretty limited too, 10psi on a bike that heavy on the terrain we ride is foolish. You will like bend the shit out of a rim on a bike the size of yours with that weight, when you hit a rock or something sharp with some momentum....if you're running something flexy like a 244. Might get away with it with a more stout tire, but then it's not going to benefit much from being nearly flat either except possibly in the most greasiest stuff...and marginally at that. I'd never go below 15-20 on a big bike (where you're correct, heavier weight and rider helps to maximize grip) unless I was caught in pure slop and needed to slowly paddle out of it.

In that situation, you're just better off with a 606 or Trakmaster anyway.

Gripster is an 80/20 tire, and not the best one offroad at that. I'd rather run a 705, cheaper and better in the dirt on a heavy bike IMHO.
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:24 PM   #40879
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Okay, nice to hear I'm NOT crazy and the wind and rain didn't freeze my brain earlier today.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:15 PM   #40880
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Okay, for six years now I've been told by the best riders I know about how weight DOES effect the ability of a tire to hook up. The more weight the less air pressure in theory you need to drop. Anyone else wanna confirm this for me?

If so maybe you can explain it to these guys ---> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733866

So far they are trying to tell me a Shinko 244 is the same as an Avon Gripster and that the rear on my 950 should be at 10psi off road. Granted I have a rim lock on the tire but 16 psi under roughly 700 lbs of bike and man meat should be enough. Right?

Larry, Rob, Tom, Shawn, Corey, or any other enduro riders wanna sound off on this?
16lbs sounds right to me for that bike for dirt and mud.....18lbs for rocks and big roots. But when I rode off-road we had wooden spokes and steel bands around the wheels so air pressure did`t matter much. Aww,you kids today with your numatic tires.....
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:27 PM   #40881
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16lbs sounds right to me for that bike for dirt and mud.....18lbs for rocks and big roots. But when I rode off-road we had wooden spokes and steel bands around the wheels so air pressure did`t matter much. Aww,you kids today with your numatic tires.....
I thought you told me that off-road was best done with the power of one horse and no wheels involved?
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:29 PM   #40882
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16lbs sounds right to me for that bike for dirt and mud.....18lbs for rocks and big roots. But when I rode off-road we had wooden spokes and steel bands around the wheels so air pressure did`t matter much. Aww,you kids today with your numatic tires.....
I'm waiting for tire balls to become road worthy, then tubes will be obsolete.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:29 PM   #40883
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I thought you told me that off-road was best done with the power of one horse and no wheels involved?

HA! I see you fell for the old "wheelbarrow" trick also. Damn that Larry.

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Old 10-20-2011, 02:37 PM   #40884
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HA! I see you fell for the old "wheelbarrow" trick also. Damn that Larry.

Her hay burner is black. The Blue hay burner has an air intake issue.
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Old 10-20-2011, 04:01 PM   #40885
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Change of subject after Luke's suffocating wit

I've been surprised by the number of people that thought it was wrong of the sheriff to shoot the "exotic animals." I don't know if they think tranquilizing darts are just as easy and as effective as lead or if they are thinking a bunch of wild, ungroomed poodles were mistakenly let out. Personally, I'm thankful the deputys were so handy with the firearms they had.

Of course, I am disappointed that Meef could not finally put an end to the dog story... if only he had been there.
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Old 10-20-2011, 04:19 PM   #40886
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I've been surprised by the number of people that thought it was wrong of the sheriff to shoot the "exotic animals."

I'm not...people are stupid.

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Old 10-20-2011, 04:45 PM   #40887
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Change of subject after Luke's suffocating wit

I've been surprised by the number of people that thought it was wrong of the sheriff to shoot the "exotic animals." I don't know if they think tranquilizing darts are just as easy and as effective as lead or if they are thinking a bunch of wild, ungroomed poodles were mistakenly let out. Personally, I'm thankful the deputys were so handy with the firearms they had.

Of course, I am disappointed that Meef could not finally put an end to the dog story... if only he had been there.
People watch Jack Hannah shows and think on a moment's notice, in the middle of the night deputies run down to the "Wild Animal Restraint Supply Room" in the spacious Muskingum county headquarters, and grab tranq darts and guns. They then rely on years of experience tracking and subduing 650lb aggressive African predators that can close on you in seconds, go out into the bush and safely land them all before the school kids wake up in the area to stand in their yards waiting on the bus.

Disaster averted, because I saw it happen on PBS in a zoo.

Sion said it better tho, people are fucking idiots.
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Old 10-20-2011, 05:06 PM   #40888
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Change of subject after Luke's suffocating wit

I've been surprised by the number of people that thought it was wrong of the sheriff to shoot the "exotic animals." I don't know if they think tranquilizing darts are just as easy and as effective as lead or if they are thinking a bunch of wild, ungroomed poodles were mistakenly let out. Personally, I'm thankful the deputys were so handy with the firearms they had.

Of course, I am disappointed that Meef could not finally put an end to the dog story... if only he had been there.
I think it had more to do with the Sheriffs lack of PR skills. I think people had trouble with most of the animals being shot when they were still on the farm, and there was little explanation as to why. Since, as Sion said, people are pretty clueless when it comes to any animal, they drew their own conclusions.
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Old 10-20-2011, 05:58 PM   #40889
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I agree, most people DON't know shit about farm animals let alone aggressive animals. Take for example the fact that those animals were more dangerous than wild animals simply because of their exposure to people. Wild animals have some fear of humans, but these didn't have that fear. Not to mention the first responders didn't know how the animals had been treated or that the owner was dead.
Most of the misunderstanding can actually be blamed on bad reporting and the medias desire to blow this up into a huge event so they can get better ratings.

How's that for wit?
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Old 10-20-2011, 06:10 PM   #40890
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dead on target...
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