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Old 02-28-2012, 09:26 AM   #45466
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Yeah, the original Trans Am was some good racing. I wish I could find my Mark Donahue autograph.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:32 AM   #45467
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Swing I might know a little more about it that you think.

I did not say 90% of us could do as good, I said most of us could go 90% as fast as them....They are good drivers and that last 10% is what sets them apart......I'm saying they lap at 200.....most of us could lap at 180 pertty easy.....that last 10% is a bitch.

I'll still think JPM a complete hack driver, he belongs in Nascar where wrecking is apropos.

Mansell pretty much destroyed cart in 1993, showing just how much better F1 drivers are.....I think is has been a long time since we have had a successful American in F1.

One of the reasons I hate JPM so much is BMW NA forced Button (a much better driver) out of the seat of the Williams to install "pseudo American" JPM, because BMW thought he would be recognizable in their biggest market, the US.

From Wiki.....I know I know, but I agree.

Montoya has been criticized during his Formula One career for his unreliability and tendency to make costly mistakes. His driving style is too characteristic of the 80s Formula One era. In this matter, it was difficult to build a car that suited him well as engineers and aerodynamicists had to adapt their work to build chassis that were more suited to finer and smoother driving styles. Moreover, Montoya failed to adapt to the cars that were provided for him.
Entering his sixth season, in 2006, it was evident that Juan Pablo Montoya had not developed into a title contender. In particular, after five full seasons, the necessary consistency never materialized. However, he often challenged for race victories and was voted top Latin American driver at the Premios Fox Sports awards in 2003 and 2005.[2

Yes, 7 wins in 6 years of F1 is way better than me, but I am tired of people putting him on a pedestal.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:40 AM   #45468
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:31 AM   #45469
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It has come to my attention that several pages back there was a lot of banter about a Baja expedition while I was in the middle of ours. I sent GCMC my number today to start a dialog on how to make it happen. If there is enough interest I told her I would help plan or facilitate.

Shit I don't even have the bikes out of the truck from Baja 2012 and planning for the next one is being discussed!
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:01 AM   #45470
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oh! brilliant plan!

Thanks Muddy Rabbit!!! Maybe we can have a good old fashion convoy next winter.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:25 PM   #45471
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:06 PM   #45472
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Yeah, the original Trans Am was some good racing. I wish I could find my Mark Donahue autograph.
I don't have one from TranAm, but I have Kendall Confidence that I can find my Peter Gregg autograph. I also have a piece of LF fender from Al Holbert's #14 Lowenbrau 962.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:46 PM   #45473
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Any of you Nascar fans wanna make me an offer on this? Vintage 1995 I believe.



No it's not a real hood. Dad owned a bar for a while and this was one of the display items. Has the upper tip broken off but other wise is in perfect shape.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:00 PM   #45474
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http://starlinerdiner.com/

Starliner Diner in Hilliard

Arrive 6:15 -7? or later!

looking to be a good turnout tonight.

:( I just got off work. Since it's an hour and a half drive, looks like I won't be joining again this time.

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Old 02-28-2012, 04:07 PM   #45475
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I managed to sneak some dirt roads into a trip to get new tie rods for my truck today...and was rewarded by seeing a pair of bald eagles less than a mile from home.

Also, I'm giving strong consideration to painting my KLR OD green tomorrow......trying to decide how dumb it will look...
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Old 02-28-2012, 05:11 PM   #45476
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I don't have one from TranAm, but I have Kendall Confidence that I can find my Peter Gregg autograph. I also have a piece of LF fender from Al Holbert's #14 Lowenbrau 962.
I got to do a hot lap with Peter Gregg at Road Atlanta in the late 70's, it was either 78 or 79, they bolted a passenger seat in his IMSA Brumos Porsche. I was working for Alex Cooley and was working Medical at Road Atlanta, so I got a ride,. He drove sickeningly fast, and said he was going about 95%, because "otherwise you'd have a heart attack." I've never had any illusions about what going fast really means since,
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Old 02-28-2012, 05:23 PM   #45477
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Sorry, pure ignorance of the topic. Montoya won CART's championship as a rookie. Hack? You don't know what you're talking about.

He won several F1 races in a middling car. Hack? He was competing against Schumacher and Raikkenen in those years, and often had to out race them for his successes. Yeah...pure hack.

I don't even know where to begin with your derision of NASCAR, except that it's a popular and silly position held by a lot of people that hate their own culture to the point of blindness, but just do this math for yourself - some of the best drivers in the world competed against NASCAR's best in IROC and other forms of racing, and didn't dominate the circle track guys. Some racers like John Andretti who have won at every form of racing there is practically joined it and didn't do very well. Mr. Baja Robby Gordon? Stinks in NASCAR. Former bike champions have tried it, and failed. Ringers like Boris Said are hired because of their impeccable road course skill, yet seldom win.

You also talk as if all the races are restrictor plate races, which is utterly absurd. They race on everything from high banked 1/2 miles to diamonds, to road courses, to super speedways. Sure, what you describe is true at Daytona (to a small degree), but is a naive way of describing the whole sport. At a race like Bristol, the lead cars often lap the 4th or 5th place cars, breakaway is common as it is on a lot of NASCAR tracks. Do you even watch the sport to have such an opinion?

At some tracks, or even their road courses, you are riding on the ragged edge of loss of traction in a heavy car with skinny tires (relative to open wheel), and you have to hold that car there for hours on end, better than 42 of the best drivers in the business. That's something 90% of us could do just as well?

Bullshit.

I did the Dover experience which is a mere 80% power version of NASCAR several years ago, and it was FUCKING HARD. The difference between a good line and being in the concrete was as fine and as tenuous as anything I've ever felt in an automobile or on a motorcycle, it physically exhausted me after 10 laps. And, I was alone. I didn't have to be 4" from some other car or worry about passing or being passed. They do 400 laps, and faster with more power to control, and have to navigate a huge field of cars. If you think you just drive in a circle, or it's easy, you are high.

What's sad is, I'm not even a big fan of NASCAR, it's just another of many forms of professional racing I have watched or pay attention to.
Short and to the point (I love the eloquence above) - the man does things his way!

And he performs. And I've never heard him complain - about anything - no excuses (that's worth $100 to me!) He's walked away from some major paychecks. (walking away from F-1 ?!?). He makes calculated, ballsy moves and that's a real plus when I invest 2-3 hours of my time - that's entertainment for me.

I enjoy F-1 because of technology and suffer through the politics (wonder how Max Mosley's doing?) Rally cars - that's where Kimi's been - that's some racing for the sport of it! NASCAR, doesn't rise blow any smoke for me but it does sell one hell of a lot of T-shirts and few canned beers. And the women love it!

What's all the fuss about him hitting the blower? That could have been any swinging dick - on any given day. I guess it's news when an Indy 500 winner mis-judges his speed.

Obviously, Juan is into his racing - and all that the track and pits brings to him. More power to him! Wish I had a little of that going for me.

Hack? Isn't that a politician playing for himself and his cronies? It is in my book - and there's not shortage of them!

That's a strong label to throw about! Them's fighting wirds!

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Old 02-28-2012, 05:36 PM   #45478
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Old 02-28-2012, 05:45 PM   #45479
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I managed to sneak some dirt roads into a trip to get new tie rods for my truck today...and was rewarded by seeing a pair of bald eagles less than a mile from home.

Also, I'm giving strong consideration to painting my KLR OD green tomorrow......trying to decide how dumb it will look...
It will be look ghey. Go black, i hear you will never go back.

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Old 02-28-2012, 05:56 PM   #45480
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I grew up on dirt track racing Friday and Saturday nights and Nascar on Sunday. However,I havent watched a full Nascar race in several years. I feel it has been neutered and sold out as just a huge soap opera that only worries about the money. For example, jam a mic in the face of someone that just pissed away $250k purse money by blowing a motor and then get offended when they say a curse word. Fuck you. I can remember when I was 6 years old watching a guy get his head cracked with a 3 foot jack handle for putting someone in the wall at Mansfield Raceway.
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