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Old 04-17-2012, 07:27 PM   #47476
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Good catch, reported.
Thanks - he's outta here.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:31 PM   #47477
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I sent the guy an e mail back telling him no dice unless there are papers, and informed him of the law.

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Old 04-17-2012, 07:38 PM   #47478
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There is a number to call at the DMV concerning buying an in state vehicle with no title and a bill of sale. I may call tomorrow and see what they say about the deal.

I did once get a new title with a 71 Chevelle, took it to the OSHP inspection station, he ground the paint off a number on the firewall I had no idea was there, ran it, and gave me the forms to get a title...
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Old 04-18-2012, 03:32 AM   #47479
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The BMV does have a process for obtaining a court ordered title. You send a letter and any evidence of ownership to the bmw in Columbus, they review it, and MAY give you documents to take and have signed by a judge ordering the local clerk of court to issue a title. The operative words are MAY GIVE. It is very doubtful that after they search the V.I.N. and find a title is in the system that they will issue the court order.
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:46 AM   #47480
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I have 3 bikes in my garage. that have screwed up titles and are pretty much boat anchors. It sucks. None of them are very expensive, so it is not a huge deal, but according to the Title peopel in both OH & TN I will never get a title for them.

I guess some day I can do the whole petition for a title with a judge, but that seems like a giant PIA.

All of these bikes had "clear title in hand" when I drove hours and hours to buy them. Of course there was always a story when I arrived.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:18 AM   #47481
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Any of them older than 2000?

What are they?
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:26 AM   #47482
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Try this one, my sales rep from our main distributor has a perfectly good street legal 2006 KTM. Bought it from a guy in Indiana who was the original owner and never used it on the street, so he never tried to plate it. Somehow the original owner managed to get it out of the dealership with the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin instead of the title. My rep got the NOTARIZED M.C.O. with the bike. He can't get a title for it! Ohio says the MCO must be converted to a title by Indiana since it is a street legal vehicle and that it where it was originally sold. Indiana says they can only do that for the original owner, and that it never should have left the dealership. He lost the contact info for the seller, and the dealership is gone. He is also tight with people at KTM USA and they can't help him.

Nice bike, looks great in his garage.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:22 AM   #47483
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Back on the subject of the Burr Oak ORV trails, somehow I totally missed this in the local newspaper:

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/artic...questions.html

We actually have a researcher in my building working on the impact of the graded ORV trails at Wayne. Might pick her brain about it if I see her around the building this week.

The above article is pretty heavily slanted, obviously the guy isn't using the ORV trails. Something he probably didn't consider is the fact that they had to close the Burr Oak Lodge for a while due to lack of funds. This put 40 people out of work, and the lodge traffic & income have declined by half in the last ten years.

Regardless of the UTV/ATV/MC debate, ultimately more trails is always good, and reopening that lodge may be a happy side-effect of the trails coming into existence.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:39 AM   #47484
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I sent the guy an e mail back telling him no dice unless there are papers, and informed him of the law.

we'll see where this goes...

Not to knock a guys choice of bike, but is a klx300 a good candidate to make street legal? I would think that even with sprocket changes either the motor would scream at 60 mph or first gear would be very tall in the woods. I'm a big fan of factory-street-legal bikes like the klx250s, wr250r, or drz400 for their longevity and simplicity. The fun is riding, not oil changes, rebuilds, and electrical gremlins. Just my opinion so feel free to think otherwise.-Mike

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Old 04-18-2012, 08:41 AM   #47485
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Try this one, my sales rep from our main distributor has a perfectly good street legal 2006 KTM. Bought it from a guy in Indiana who was the original owner and never used it on the street, so he never tried to plate it. Somehow the original owner managed to get it out of the dealership with the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin instead of the title. My rep got the NOTARIZED M.C.O. with the bike. He can't get a title for it! Ohio says the MCO must be converted to a title by Indiana since it is a street legal vehicle and that it where it was originally sold. Indiana says they can only do that for the original owner, and that it never should have left the dealership. He lost the contact info for the seller, and the dealership is gone. He is also tight with people at KTM USA and they can't help him.

Nice bike, looks great in his garage.

I pretty much have that same thing with a 2003 Yamaha Zuma.

I was in Memphis and bought a nice Zuma through an eBay store in Little Rock. They had and the correct "paperwork"

In AR you do not need a plate for a 50cc scooter so they paid the sales tax on the dealer invoice but never turned the MSO (which is in their name) into a title.

I have no way, at least in OH & TN to turn that MSO into a title. The original owner must do that...there is no incentive for them to do this.

I also have a 94 Kaw KE100 & a 72 Honda Trail 90 with what they call jumped titles....both situations were long drives to people that had "title in hand".....fuck that! Both titles were made out to the previous owners and signed over to the current ones....neither of the current owners had a new title made in their name. Again both OH & TN say I'm screwed without help from the seller.

My fault.......NEVER making a long drive like that again until I see a photograph of the title in the current owners name.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:53 AM   #47486
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I guess some day I can do the whole petition for a title with a judge, but that seems like a giant PIA.


That sucks, you may want to just try. My 2000 TE410 with out of state MSO cost me about $40 and gas down town to the judge, she signed it and made 2 people very happy. You won't see the judge (unless it's stolen), just the court officials. Mostly as Muddy has stated in the past, it's educating the people in the system that rarely deal with the issue and would rather plead ignorant, which for some, isn't too hard
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:58 AM   #47487
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MikeF, you gonna make your weekly appeal for riding buddies for tomorrow? I am off.

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Old 04-18-2012, 09:16 AM   #47488
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That sucks, you may want to just try. My 2000 TE410 with out of state MSO cost me about $40 and gas down town to the judge, she signed it and made 2 people very happy. You won't see the judge (unless it's stolen), just the court officials. Mostly as Muddy has stated in the past, it's educating the people in the system that rarely deal with the issue and would rather plead ignorant, which for some, isn't too hard
I get your point, but the truth of the matter is that is a very low priority. If I were going to take time off of work I have about a million other more pressing things to do than that. I work normal business hours+

I struggle to get phone calls into my local government offices, they are open so few hours each week. They are very busy and I always have to leave a message, perhaps they would less slammed if they took calls more than 20 hours a week.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:51 AM   #47489
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MikeF, you gonna make your weekly appeal for riding buddies for tomorrow? I am off.

I may be game, I have to go to Nova in the morning for a quick job and then I can scoot.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:55 AM   #47490
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Not to knock a guys choice of bike, but is a klx300 a good candidate to make street legal? I would think that even with sprocket changes either the motor would scream at 60 mph or first gear would be very tall in the woods. I'm a big fan of factory-street-legal bikes like the klx250s, wr250r, or drz400 for their longevity and simplicity. The fun is riding, not oil changes, rebuilds, and electrical gremlins. Just my opinion so feel free to think otherwise.-Mike
It was a screaming deal ( for obvious reasons) and I would just be using it as a woods/gravel road bike as I plan on upgrading to either Mike's Buell or a Strom.

I got this back from the guy when I told him I was going to pass unless he could produce a title:

Matt,
That is fine I understand. This bike is not street legal anyway!!! Its a trail bike...

I guess that it will be good for someone who just wants to ride it on the farm.
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