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Old 08-18-2012, 10:01 AM   #51691
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Just looked at the new Honda CRF250L at the local dealer. It's all new, luckily it shares nothing with the 230.
http://powersports.honda.com/2013/crf250L.aspx
Looks to be a contender to the WR250R, its just a little less in all around. Couple less HP, 1" less suspension, 25-30lbs heavier. But is less new than the used WR250R market.
http://rickramsey.net/WR250RvsCRF250L.htm
Looks tempting. Anyone ride one yet?
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:06 AM   #51692
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The Honda is a "nice" bike. Kind of like a pinky up type of lets go ride Margo type of bike. It will get you there. It will be comfy. It will get there cheaply. The WR wants to be ridden more aggressively. If you are a smaller rider and most of what you ride will be street, gravel, fire roads and mild double track. The Honda is your go to bike. If you are tall, conversation is over. You have to get the WR. If you ride hard and are not sure of what you will encounter you have to get the WR. If you want to attack you have to get the WR.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:10 AM   #51693
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Notice that he wrote that without having ridden the Honda.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:11 AM   #51694
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Just looked at the new Honda CRF250L at the local dealer. It's all new, luckily it shares nothing with the 230.
http://powersports.honda.com/2013/crf250L.aspx
Looks to be a contender to the WR250R, its just a little less in all around. Couple less HP, 1" less suspension, 25-30lbs heavier. But is less new than the used WR250R market.
http://rickramsey.net/WR250RvsCRF250L.htm
Looks tempting. Anyone ride one yet?
Which dealer? Didn't know they had made it this far East.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:14 AM   #51695
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Great read, I ride a lot of gravel & am wanting to trail ride some (new to it). Sounds like the WRR is a better dirt bike, the Honda is a little softer. I'm 6'2", so it sounds like the Honda may be too small.

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Old 08-18-2012, 10:18 AM   #51696
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Notice that he wrote that without having ridden the Honda.
"I rode both bikes now. I have 125 miles on the WR and 39 miles on the Honda. I took both bikes out back to back over the same little trial coarse I have at the house. This consist of a field with 3" chunks of hard clay. It is one of the roughest things I have ridden. It also includes a large creek crossing, double track, black top, and gravel. The landscape is rolling hills."
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:28 AM   #51697
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The Honda's winning attributes are cheap and short.

Other than that, if there's an advantage to the 250L over the WR, I can't see it. I don't think anyone can claim the Honda's going to be a more durable bike than the WR. The Honda will likely be a very well built, long lasting bike but the WR's engine is about as overbuilt as I think you'll ever see on a small DS.

And, you have to also consider the KLX250S in that mix, as it's in the same price range as the 250L and very similar in performance and height (carb instead of FI being the only real substantive difference). Street price it can be had cheaper than the Honda, I'm sure.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:47 AM   #51698
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I am seriously considering the 250L for Krista.We are between it and the XT 250, it's going to be decided by which one she feels more comfortable sitting on.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:56 AM   #51699
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And, you have to also consider the KLX250S in that mix, ...
A co worker had one I rode, I hope the other 2 250s are not as gutless, 60mph seemed stressful for it. Alan told me 65 was fine on his WRR & I'd guess he is near my weight (or maybe a little more).
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:06 AM   #51700
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I can run at 65 all day long on my 22HP KLR 250, it sounds wrapped up, but it doesn't care.
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:12 AM   #51701
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"I rode both bikes now. I have 125 miles on the WR and 39 miles on the Honda. I took both bikes out back to back over the same little trial coarse I have at the house. This consist of a field with 3" chunks of hard clay. It is one of the roughest things I have ridden. It also includes a large creek crossing, double track, black top, and gravel. The landscape is rolling hills."
The quote you originally copied was written before he rode the Honda. 'Les he editted the post. . I wonder how nuch his opinion changed. Maybe I should read it all before shootin' from the hip.
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:17 AM   #51702
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The quote you originally copied was written before he rode the Honda. 'Les he editted the post. . I wonder how nuch his opinion changed. Maybe I should read it all before shootin' from the hip.
Yep. I should have read the whole thing. Going' back into my hole.
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Old 08-18-2012, 02:38 PM   #51703
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I must be missing something too, as I just don't really see the appeal of the 250cc class. In terms of motox bikes its 15 pounds more for the 450 (243-250 lbs) over the 250cc bikes. And another 25 pounds for an e start wide ratio model for trails bikes. Seems fairly negligible to me when its on 2 wheels.
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Old 08-18-2012, 02:42 PM   #51704
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A co worker had one I rode, I hope the other 2 250s are not as gutless, 60mph seemed stressful for it. Alan told me 65 was fine on his WRR & I'd guess he is near my weight (or maybe a little more).
The 250S makes its power down low, torque curve more like a trail bike. And, it's bottled up pretty good from the factory. Open it up, or even better big-bore it, and gear it for the street and it'll do ok. It's a good bike on the trails.

My TTR250 was the same way, great power in the woods in 2nd gear, nearly done at 55 on the streets.

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Old 08-18-2012, 02:50 PM   #51705
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I must be missing something too, as I just don't really see the appeal of the 250cc class.
Easy answer: There isn't a 450 class of Japanese dual sports here in the states, except the outdated and somewhat lackluster DRZ400s, and the only streetlegal 450's beyond that are Eurobikes...and the high price of admission of those.

But, the 250's still make sense in some ways...for a back road cruiser and trail machine, that's inexpensive and cheap to operate, they're great. The premise behind a 450 over a 250 is you get all that extra power in the same chassis - but that's based on a need for more power. Does everyone need it? In the tight woods around here, you can't put a 450's top end on the ground very well. Hell, a pinger 125 is as fast in the Ohio woods as anything else in the right hands.

I'd love to see Yamaha do a WR450R, or an updated XR400 class bike (with a magic button), but I don't think Japan is interested in it.
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