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Old 08-23-2012, 10:51 PM   #51856
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Np, just curious, why didn't you have them balanced?
Balancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless. Most tires go out of balance within 500 miles or hitting the first pothole.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:27 AM   #51857
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An adv bike yes,even knobbies too. That i understand. He said strom, so im picturing 80/20 tires at best. All valid points, I was just wondering why is all. Once I hit about a 60/40 I wont bother with balance unless its pretty noticeable.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:59 AM   #51858
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An adv bike yes,even knobbies too. That i understand. He said strom, so im picturing 80/20 tires at best. All valid points, I was just wondering why is all. Once I hit about a 60/40 I wont bother with balance unless its pretty noticeable.
Shinko 705 which I guess is a 80/20 tire.

Checked the chain, rear wheel alignment. Straight / true. Checked the steering bearings in the Swingset manner, no looseness.

I examined the tire, it appears to be seated on the bead.

To be on the safe side, I rode to the gas station with a ball bat, tire gauge, and bottle of windex. "Drained" all the air from the back tire, waled on it with the ball bat, lubed the area of the bead, waled some more, hyperinflated the tire to 70+ PSI without seeing or hearing the bead popping, waled some more, dropped pressure to 41 PSI Rode home. Same as it was.

I noticed the only difference between my bike and Meredith's is the rubber dust cover over the wheel bearings on the disk side of the rear wheel on mine is slightly dimpled, like the rubber is a little crushed; and on hers it is nice and flat. That's it; all other spacers are exactly the same between the two bikes.

I'm not terribly worried, just curious. I'm gonna keep riding, I guess one of three things will happen - it will get better, it will get worse, or it will stay the same. Even if it gets worse I can't see a catastrophic failure since everything checks okay.

Thanks for the advice.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:58 AM   #51859
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[QUOTEBalancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless. Most tires go out of balance within 500 miles or hitting the first pothole. __________________][/QUOTE]

I'm not arguing or disagreeing, because I don't even understand this stuff at a distance, but I am curious; why should this be true? How does hitting a pothole "unbalance" a tire?

You balance a tire/wheel because all sections or segments of the tire/wheel don't weigh the same. You add weight to one section to attempt to "balance" these inequalities. I understand that tires wear unevenly and this weight distribution changes over time, but don't understand how hitting a pothole would change a tire/wheel weight distribution.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:09 AM   #51860
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Anyone want to take a stab at it?

Any thoughts? It's just obvious enough to make me think it's a problem but I'm not sure where to look next.
Did you check the swing arm bearings for excessive play?
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:14 AM   #51861
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[QUOTEBalancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless. Most tires go out of balance within 500 miles or hitting the first pothole. __________________]
I'm not arguing or disagreeing, because I don't even understand this stuff at a distance, but I am curious; why should this be true? How does hitting a pothole "unbalance" a tire?

You balance a tire/wheel because all sections or segments of the tire/wheel don't weigh the same. You add weight to one section to attempt to "balance" these inequalities. I understand that tires wear unevenly and this weight distribution changes over time, but don't understand how hitting a pothole would change a tire/wheel weight distribution.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a tire engineer, but I can tell you that even on a car tire, it can be balanced to zero, driven into a curb, or driven a couple hundred miles, and be way out again. I have seen it time and time again.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:21 AM   #51862
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I don't really want to be a nuisance to my mechanic, either, I like him and he does the work for very little money, so I hate to take up more of his time by having him balance the tires.
Out of curiosity, how much is he charging to mount tires? (bringing him the wheel off the bike) I have two guys in this area who have done my BMW tire swaps for me: $20 & $25 with balancing. I'm assuming the strom is tubeless.

Does the bike have a center stand? If so, I'd put on the stand and put it in gear with the engine running (after making sure the rear wheel is off the ground) Then look for runout or a bulge in the tread or sidewall.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:49 AM   #51863
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You know I'm wondering if the front rim might be bent. I bent mine before screwing around. Strom rims aren't exactly made for what the bike can do.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:53 AM   #51864
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I'm guessing the spacer from between the cush drive and the wheel was left out.

Or it's a bad tire.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:11 AM   #51865
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Balancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless.

Interesting! I stopped balancing street bike tires years ago, but I did balance my new adv tires. I figure, with that much rubber (semi-knobby, 50/50 tire) the chance of it being noticeably out of balance were greater.
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:03 AM   #51866
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:32 AM   #51867
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Out of curiosity, how much is he charging to mount tires? (bringing him the wheel off the bike) I have two guys in this area who have done my BMW tire swaps for me: $20 & $25 with balancing. I'm assuming the strom is tubeless.

Does the bike have a center stand? If so, I'd put on the stand and put it in gear with the engine running (after making sure the rear wheel is off the ground) Then look for runout or a bulge in the tread or sidewall.
He mounts them free if I get them from him and he will do that with them still on the bike, I've been using him for 10 years almost so I get the better customer rate. I guess not balancing them is not so much a cost issue as it is I don't think it's really needed and I don't want him to do work I won't appreciate anyway.

No bulges, or other deformities noted to tire.

Swingarm bearings, I guess, are okay. There is no obvious play in the swingarm except the up and down travel it should have.

Front rim appears true, and the worst riding I've done in a few months is hop some curbs.

Zach - Possibly a bad tire, I got a PM from penner saying the same thing about his experience with a new 705. I guess we'll see.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:45 PM   #51868
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That was on the poughkeepsie trail in Colorado. It's marked as a down only trail but we were going up it to try to save time because it was getting late. Big mistake, it took us about two hours to get up that gulch. This trail is probably the most technically challenging trail in the Ouray area.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:04 PM   #51869
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After installing my own tires, I'm too lazy to balance them. Never really notice a problem with it.

The only thing balanced about my tires is the huge stack of them that is about to fall over in my garage. The Leaning Tower of Tourances. Guess I should stop procrastinating about taking them to be recycled.
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After installing my own tires, I'm too lazy to balance them. Never really notice a problem with it.

The only thing balanced about my tires is the huge stack of them that is about to fall over in my garage. The Leaning Tower of Tourances. Guess I should stop procrastinating about taking them to be recycled.
I have probably 20~30 tires that I need to take down to the river too. ;)
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