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Old 04-02-2009, 04:54 AM   #1516
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G/day Ray

Close but no cigar

Ray P's came in at over 1000kg
So does the next guess need to be higher or lower? This could become a game show.


I'm going light and short. That's the first priority. I don't want to get the front hung up. I don't want to have to use a heap of fuel to carry fuel. No 'fridge or freezer, no three burner barbie, not even a blow up doll!

I've been reading Len Beadell's books, since Xmas, and have been somewhat inspired. Now I just have to find the money & allocate the time.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:15 AM   #1517
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If I may throw a bit of oil on the fire
Heavy isn't strong and light not weak by definition.

Very often I see constructions that are build with very heavy materials where a well thought-out constructional concept could have been built stronger or as strong with a lot less weight. The catch 22 in this situation is also, that the heavier you build, the stronger the construction needs to be
I do agree with the necessity of easy repairability along the way though
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:54 AM   #1518
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If I may throw a bit of oil on the fire
Heavy isn't strong and light not weak by definition.

Very often I see constructions that are build with very heavy materials where a well thought-out constructional concept could have been built stronger or as strong with a lot less weight. The catch 22 in this situation is also, that the heavier you build, the stronger the construction needs to be
I do agree with the necessity of easy repairability along the way though
Good points. Some things can end up being a case of 'chasing weak points' if the initial design did not allow everything to work as a unit. The old adage of 'build it stout out of things you know about' is still better for most folks than trying to 'go light to make it right'.
Regardless, the fact will always remain that no assembly is stronger than it's weakest point.

1000kg? According to the net that is 2204 lb and 9.96 oz ??? ....yep, that is heavy :-)
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:32 PM   #1519
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So does the next guess need to be higher or lower? This could become a game show.


I'm going light and short. That's the first priority. I don't want to get the front hung up. I don't want to have to use a heap of fuel to carry fuel. No 'fridge or freezer, no three burner barbie, not even a blow up doll!

I've been reading Len Beadell's books, since Xmas, and have been somewhat inspired. Now I just have to find the money & allocate the time.
G/day Ray

Lower, pick a number between 820 and 825

When you sit down and add up all the things it doesn't surprise me of the total weight .
For starters, and this is only estimates, bike 250/350kg's, sidecar chassis and body 100/150kgs, 2 people 150/250kg's. Thats 500/750 kgs, unloaded.
In Ray's P case he was carring 70lts of fuel, 40lts of water, electric fridge full of food, twin batteries,camping gear, (tent, sleeping bags, air mats etc), chairs table, gas stove and gas bottle, cooking gear etc, tools, spares etc.
Soon adds up.

Interesting observation with my Tuck Truck, fuel consumption varys little whether it is fully loaded or running on empty. 12/13 kpl on bitumen, 14/15 kpl on the dirt.

Re Len Beadell, an amazing man aptly named Australia's last true explorer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Beadell
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:17 PM   #1520
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I am not a book reader, but have one of Lens, and enjoyed it very much.
Also have a couple of his videos

The Ray Potter, is he from Adelaide?? BMW guru.
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:21 PM   #1521
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G/day all

More Oz sidecar photo's.
The only good news about not being able to ride or work for the next 12 mts, is that I have plenty of time to scan and put up photo's

Here are a couple of SCRay's outfits, (these photo's taken at the Gawler Ranges rally at Farina, South Oz, which nowadays is a ghost town but was a very important rail head for the old Ghan railway line)












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Old 04-02-2009, 05:32 PM   #1522
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I am not a book reader, but have one of Lens, and enjoyed it very much.
Also have a couple of his videos

The Ray Potter, is he from Adelaide?? BMW guru.
Correct Johno

This is Margret's outfit, Ray being a Airhead guru, wont admit that he has gone over to the Dark side That is why Margret is smiling and he is not happy being snapped sitting on the K.

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Old 04-02-2009, 05:45 PM   #1523
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I have seen that photo before, and thought he looked familiar.
Margrets brother lives just down the road from me.
I met them both in Adelaide early last year at BMW ride day.

He sure dont look happy


I love that Tenere rig
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:51 PM   #1524
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I was just on the 'phone discussing the next one. It is in planning, the building starts over Anzac weekend.
Ohh really? Do tell.......
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:21 PM   #1525
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Pics continued.....







More to follow...
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:24 PM   #1526
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The Valkyrie in the last post belongs to a mate of mine Craig and he has a matching Teardrop camper.

Three mates, Craig, Bruce and Colin made 3 teardrops to tow behind their outfits.

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Old 04-05-2009, 10:26 PM   #1527
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Annnnnd when he wants to travel light he puts on his camper sidecar body.

Clever bastard.

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Old 04-06-2009, 05:46 AM   #1528
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Thanks Dave, I found it. This thread is a goldmine of info for chairs. I will get organised and post some picks of the building of this rig. Yes car wheels are very good. I fitted them to this one and it really stretched the milage out of the tyres. Good in sand too.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:47 PM   #1529
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Yes car wheels are very good. I fitted them to this one and it really stretched the milage out of the tyres. Good in sand too.
Dick, I run a car tyre on the back of my Wing outfit and I agree, it makes a big difference, especially to longevity.
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:04 PM   #1530
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G/day all

More Oz sidecar photo's.
The only good news about not being able to ride or work for the next 12 mts, is that I have plenty of time to scan and put up photo's

Here are a couple of SCRay's outfits, (these photo's taken at the Gawler Ranges rally at Farina, South Oz, which nowadays is a ghost town but was a very important rail head for the old Ghan railway line)





The two Triumphs were built by Leigh Hollamby. His was the 1200 Trophy. As soon as I saw it I knew who I was going to ask to build the sidecar for my Tiger.

I was looking in the background of the Farina Rally photos. Couldn't see the Tiger, but it was there (assuming I've got the correct year). I was pissed off because my brother & I had ridden from Albury/Wagga and missed out on longest distance because we were off taking sunset photos around the place (well, not really but never let the truth get in the way of a good story).
I think this was Baretta Station ruins, north east of Craddock.






Unknown rider late on the Saturday arvo.


Farina ruins. Transcontinental Hotel in the background.


Enroute, somewhere near Ivanhoe.



I don't have the photo of the Tiger in a millions pieces under the shelter of a national parks information board in the Flinder's Ranges.

Yep, that was another great trip.

Oops, apologies about going off thread! Getting all misty eyed there for a moment At least the outfit is in the last one.
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